A model is within the Trigger Area of an enemy mine. He is attacked from outside ZoC and LoF (has no ARO) and survives (or simply doesn't declare a ARO, if you prefer). What happens if i choose to fail the Guts Roll? Does the mine triggers? I think NO because Guts Roll resolution is not an Order or ARO, but i didn't find anything...
The requirement isn't to be activated it's to declare or execute. I'd argue that resolving Guts is still part of executing the order. ----- Assuming I'm wrong though: What about a Trooper who took a hit and failed their Guts and entered a Trigger Area? Does this change if they're the active Trooper or had previously been activated in ARO that Order? I'm guessing my previous answer* was wrong and the actual answer is "No, because the ARO / Order isn't executed inside the Trigger Area". * https://forum.corvusbelli.com/index.php?posts/119813/
Lets say the mine does activate. Here's an even nuttier question: Let's say the model that failed his guts roll and unknowingly moved 2 inches into a mine declared Dodge as his ARO against the enemy trooper – and rolled a 1, not enough to win the FtF, but a success none the less. Would this dodge count for dodging the mine? or has this roll already passed in time and the activated mine hits the trooper?
I don't agree, because Guts moves can be made by troopers that haven't declared or executed an Order or ARO at all. For example getting shot from behind from outside ZoC. Also, for what it's worth, the wording was intentionally changed from N2, where entering the area of effect of the Mine could trigger it, regardless of Orders or AROs.
While I believe you, I'm not seeing anything that indicates this. can you clarify? is it just because it specifies "End of the Order"?
Yes. This explains the logic succinctly: http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/50640-dodge-and-explode/ This is with @Spleen and @ijw specifically discussing Guts and Explode. http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/...e-turn-any-aro/?do=findComment&comment=679507
If a model is outside the trigger area and declares a Dodge inside the trigger area, the mine goes off but is dodged (or doesn't trigger at all if the roll is failed). It is covered by the rules. See the examples in the Mines page, please. Guts rolls are outside the normal order/ARO expenditure sequence, i really think that the "guts move" should not trigger mines or perimeter.
That's increasingly looking like the consensus and is explicitly how @ijw reads it so it's good enough for me.
Hi, Guts fail and his movement don't activate mines: http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Mines#Trigger_Area Once on the game table, Mines must trigger when an enemy figure or Marker declares or executes an Order or ARO inside their Trigger Area. Mines only are activated when a model do a Order or a ARO inside the Trigger Area. And fails Guts rolls is none of them. No more no less :) So, you can fail your guts roll, take covert and go inside the area of the enemy mine (and now probably you have two problems, an enemy troop wich want to hunt you and a mine so close than you can't scape XD hehehehe)