Getting in melee and templates

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Sora9785, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Sora9785

    Sora9785 Well-Known Member

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    During an order if you go into melee and declare shoot with a direct or indirect template weapon is the shot canceled?

    During an order everything is simultaniously so you would be in cc if the template is placed and with the template rules:
    "Template Weapons that affect at least one trooper engaged in a Close Combat affect all troopers in that Close Combat, even if some of them are not in direct contact with the Template. Bear in mind that troopers cannot declare Attacks against their friendly troopers."
    you would be hitting yourself and the shot is nullified.

    This seems counterintuitive or am I missing something?
     
  2. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    What's counter-intuitive about it? From a realism standpoint, or a rules standpoint? It looks to me like they simply prohibit you from laying down a template and entering B2B with that troop in the same order. If you did allow that, some warbands would get even better.
     
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  3. dlfleetw

    dlfleetw Well-Known Member

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    The Important! Red box under direct templates deals with this; you don't shoot yourself or null the shot when you declare an attack via a direct template weapon.

    IMPORTANT!Even in contact with the Template, troopers declaring an Attack with a Direct Template weapon are not affected by it, unless the description of such weapon states the contrary.

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  4. Sora9785

    Sora9785 Well-Known Member

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    I hate the red boxes. This is the third time I overlooked them. Thanks!
     
  5. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    There are also some in-game examples that use template weapons as AROs against CC attackers, so we know that the template rules do not cancel the attacks in that case.

    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Impersonation

    In his Active Turn, a Hassassin Fiday in the Impersonation-1 Marker (IMP-1) state declares the first Short Skill of his Order: Moving into base to base contact with an enemy Fusilier. Since he ends his Movement in base to base contact, the Fiday reveals himself automatically: he loses his Impersonation-1 Marker state and the Marker is replaced by his figure.
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    The Fiday declares BS Attack. Imagine there is one other enemy with LoF to the Fiday besides the target Fusilier. In that circumstance, the Fiday declares a BS Attack as his second Short Skill, distributing his Light Shotgun's B 2 between his two foes.



    So you can move into base contact with a model at the same time that you shoot them with a template weapon. You do not cancel your own shots by walking into a melee that they overlap.
     
  6. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    But, if, let's say Hector, declare a Move action to place him in BtB contact with a Fusilier and is at range for the Nanopulser of a CSU, the CSU has to place his templace so that it doesn't hit Hector once he is in BtB contact. If he can't, the shot is canceled.
     
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