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Forward Observer and Face To Face roll

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Arkaon1125, Sep 7, 2021.

  1. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    I have a question and i will clarify with and example.
    My trooper A activate and move, generating an ARO by the enemy trooper B.
    B declare BS Attack as ARO
    A declares FO as second short skill.

    FO and BS attack are face to face? Or since FO does not inabilitate in any kind B those are Normal Roll?
     
  2. Mogra

    Mogra Well-Known Member

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    Face to face, because they affect each other. See the red box bellow.

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    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, i was over interpreting the word "affect"
     
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  4. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Whenever the two skills involved are listed as Attack, you get a FtF roll.

    Or when Attack vs Dodge or Comms Attack vs Reset. Always FtF.

    Attack vs Reset or Comms Attack vs Dodge generates Normal Rolls, because the skills do not interact.
     
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  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Skills that affect an enemy doesn't necessarily need to be attacks. Most if not all skills that do are attacks in the N4 rulebook, but there is at least a theoretic possibility to affect enemy with non-attack skills which could still result in a face to face roll.
    The rule of thumb you need to follow is "Does this roll do anything to my opponent's unit and ditto them to my unit? If yes -> Face to face". It's very convenient that attacks always does things to the opponent.
     
  6. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Are you sure those skill are not all labelled as Attacks?
     
  7. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I'm fairly sure that all (edit: those) skills in the rulebook are labelled Attacks, primarily because you Dodge doesn't work against Doctor and how all effects Discover would have would also trigger cancellation clauses.

    That still leaves potential for scenario specific interactions or ITS cards, etc. to not be attacks but still affect the opponent.
     
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  8. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Yes i followed this rules but i came into an issue to the word "affect", i over interpreted it.

    Does a BS Shoot (or a Flash Pulse) if they succede technicaly "stop" my action? Yes, so this attack is affecting my trooper. Flash Pulse (if successful) does not stop my trooper from shooting, so i guessed (wrongly) that it would be Normal Rolls.

    This put another question in my mind.
    A is in a smoke template, and declares ad Intuitive Attack towards B, that will respond shooting back (with -6 of malus since is reacting trought a zero visibility zone). A must roll a WIP, this roll is a normal roll (and same for B shooting) or those two rolls are Face to Face?
     
  9. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    I just realized I misread your previous post.... >_<
     
  10. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Explicitly a F2F roll

    https://infinitythewiki.com/Intuitive_Attack

    If the target reacts by declaring an Attack or Dodge, his reaction is simultaneous and resolved by a Face to Face Roll, if applicable
     
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  11. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Intuitive Attack is labelled as Attack.
    upload_2021-9-8_15-12-54.png

    Any response with an Attack or a Dodge is a FtF roll.
     
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  12. Camarones

    Camarones Well-Known Member

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    Since FO is an attack, you indeed make a face-to-face roll.

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    I feel you on the overthinking certain wordings. I think a good rule of thumb to make interpretation easy is looking for keywords. Also, coming here and asking folks is a good step as well, as we can all learn from each other :kissing_heart:
     
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  13. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks again. With my mate we are starting to play a lot so a lot of question comes up. I always fear to full the forum of question btw!
     
  14. Camarones

    Camarones Well-Known Member

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    That's why the rules sub-forum exists!

    And questions are absolutely inevitable. I can't think of a single game that I've played in a tournament setting that hasn't required a judge's ruling or an examination of some interaction of the ruleset.
     
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