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First tournament with OSS - needn advice for lists

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by gigigrunge, Nov 6, 2019.

  1. gigigrunge

    gigigrunge New Member

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    I have a tournament with Countermeasures, Safe Area and Trasmissione Matrix.
    I usually play Steel Phalanx but i want to try OSS. This is my first list, could it be good?

    Tou15-12 SSS 300
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40)
    YADU (NCO) HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)
    RUDRA MULTI Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 39)
    DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    DEVA (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 28)
    APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    Could it be good?
     
  2. gigigrunge

    gigigrunge New Member

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    And the second list would be this one:

    Tou15-12 300-2
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    [​IMG]10
    MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120)
    [​IMG] KARKATA Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.4 Heavy Rocket Launcher, Submachine Gun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 20)
    SHAKTI Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40)
    DEVA (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 28)
    RUDRA MULTI Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 39)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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  3. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Nothing glaring about either one. I'd personally try to get a Yudbot into the Marut list though.

    What is your gameplan with each list/mission?
     
  4. Pander22

    Pander22 Active Member

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    Not a huge fan of the 2 lamdeh combat group its just an excuse to lose orders when you might need to go first but thats just a personel prefrence there.

    The rudra you might find a bit redundant with the guns you have in that haris already i would maybe swap out for a deva or even the multi yadu if you want mines.

    So many rems and no normal hacking device seems like a bit of a waste because your missing out on that marksmanship level 2, that on a dikini hmg in a link team with aspara is just disgusting.

    I like both link teams but I dont like them in the same list as they step on each othes toes a little when you could have some nagas with mines etc blocking up the midfield/button pushers or space for redunant dakinis leave a multi sniper out in an awkward aro then when he dies reform the link with a spare one who has been kicking about and possibly even repair the dakini
     
  5. gigigrunge

    gigigrunge New Member

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    Agreed with some suggestion, here is the first list updated:

    Tou15-12 SSS 300-1
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40)
    DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33)
    RUDRA MULTI Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 39)
    DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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  6. gigigrunge

    gigigrunge New Member

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    And... Changes to the second list:

    Tou15-12 SSS 300-2
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    [​IMG]10
    MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120)
    [​IMG] KARKATA Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33)
    DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  7. Ashtaroth

    Ashtaroth Aragoto GP Organizer

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    Bear in mind that you cannot benefit from Ghost: Jumper Level Z AND Assisted Fire Supportware (or any other REM Supportware) at the same time.

    "A trooper cannot benefit from a Supportware program and from this Special Skill at the same time."
    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Ghost_(G)#Ghost:_Jumper_LZ
     
  8. Pander22

    Pander22 Active Member

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    Of course totally forgot about that! Yeah i would take assisted fire over aspara nearly everytime then and even take a proxy mk1 with hacking device
     
  9. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    Each has its advantages.

    Apsara doesn't require an order, affect all the remotes in the same fireteam, and also gives number 2. Plus it is active from the beginning even if you start second. But, it does requires a fireteam (it can't affect a single model) and may require additionnal orders if the fireteam has to be reformed.

    Assisted fire is a bit more powerful, but requires an order per turn, focus only one target, and requires the target to be in hacking range.

    Overall, i prefer the apsara for a dakini link, especially if it is meant to be defensive, and assisted fire on a rudra (which has its own repeater), but it's just my opinion.
     
  10. Ashtaroth

    Ashtaroth Aragoto GP Organizer

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    Assisted Fire has a two turn duration. You can spend another order to renew it, sure, but you shouldn't need to run the program more than two times.

    The effects of Assisted Fire persist until the end of the following Player Turn after the declaration of this Hacking Program, at which point you must remove all corresponding Markers.
    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Assisted_Fire

    I'd say that Apsara is better if you go second, since you have overall better dice (on 16s most likely) and you won't lose your fireteam due to Number 2, preventing you from losing the ARO Burst bonus.

    If you go first, I'd say that HMG on 17s (+3 for range and for 5-man link) ignoring cover are strictly better than the Apsara setup.
     
  11. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    In a usual game there are 3 rounds, each has 2 player turn:
    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Game_Sequence
    So, assisted fire last for your current player turn and your opponent player turn. Thus, you may need 3 orders to make it last for the whole game.

    As for apsara vs assisted fire, it is, well, debatable. If you're only considering the BS/damage rolls, yes, assisted fire is strictly superior. However, you may consider:
    1. the apsara should not require an order per turn
    2. the apsara's bonus is not limited to one miniature, only one miniature at the same time (for ex. you may want to use your MSR first, then your HMG, then during your reactive turn the combi dakini will use it)
    3. assisted fire does not grant a BS bonus but ignore the cover mod. Meaning you have no bonus if the target has no cover to begin with, while apsara grants a pure BS bonus
    4. number 2 is also a protection during the active turn, since your active shooter may be taken down and cancel the fireteam. You can reform it at once, but it will still cost you a command token, which you may want for something else (especially if it's your first turn and your opponent limited you to 1 command token)
    5. it is highly situational on dakinis, but the apsara also grants CC and WIP bonuses

    So, while assisted fire is indeed very good, the apsara grants some other benefits. Which is better depends on the situation.
     
  12. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member

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    You want a piece that wants to spend orders in group 2. The 2 Lamedh and the Netrod are just wasting their orders in that list.

    You ideally want your netrods to be in group 1.

    Hacker (that plan on using assisted fire) or Engineers are usually good troopers to put in g2 as they do not take away your offensive G1 orders to support your group and give you some way to spend them.

    I would highly suggest replacing a dakini with a CSU in your link teams, it is much better than the 5th generic dakini imo as it provides the link with template and better close range capabilities.

    In your first list, if you want a generic hacking device to buff your remotes, the Danavas is miles ahead of the Deva. Having access to White Noise in invaluable.

    The Apsara and the Danavas compete for similar point cost and offer pros and cons, Apsara has advantages if going second, Assisted Fire is a bit stronger (+1 effective BS and Shock compared to the Apsara). I think the deciding factor is wether (and why I chose the Danavas over Apsara more often than not) is White Noise.
     
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  13. Ashtaroth

    Ashtaroth Aragoto GP Organizer

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    I didn't say that Assisted Fire granted BS bonuses... I literally said the dice are on 17s because they go from base 11 to +3 for link team to 14s and then another +3 for good range band (17). Same way with the Apsara your good dice are on 16s (13 BS base, +3 for range, +3 for 5-man link, -3 for cover).

    Since you will run a mixed team of Dakinis and Devas, the WIP bonuses aren't really that important if one of the Devas is an Hacker, which it should, since it makes the requirement of the Target being in the Hacking Area also a non issue.

    I mentioned turn duration, because you can have a good active and reactive turn, making the need to keep Assisted Fire running less relevant, since the odds are on the Dakini's favors to win most F2F, I wasn't clear on my statement.
     
  14. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member

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    Also worth noting that while the Apsara is a bit more order efficient on the first turn, it is much less order efficient it is much less order efficient when you need to reform your link.

    If your HMG dies in active turn and you repair it with an engineer and reform the link, assisted fire will stay active.
    If your HMG dies in active turn and you repair it with an engineer and reform the link, the apsara will need to spend an order to re-apply her buff.
     
  15. Kortz

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    Maybe something like this, I also mainly play SP but i like to alternate with OSS for a change of flavor. Tired to take notes of the previous comments but also keep the main idea of your original list.

    Tou15-12 SSS 300-1
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40)
    DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33)
    RUDRA MULTI Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 39)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    Rebot SAMEKH FTO Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 17)
    DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Now you still have that dangerous and resilient Harris, your Core si still cheap but now benefits from the Apsara better, i think and specially if you go second, on defense without taking its main punching power. Now your Second group has things to do, from recovering troops, making objectives, to aid group one with Suportware (for the Dakinis or the Rudra) and white noise if needed, also maybe you can hunt down or make some objective with the Mk1, this without taking orders from your main group, that probably would be of 8 orders if you go first.
     
  16. gigigrunge

    gigigrunge New Member

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    I really like your list but in the forst group the fireteam core is made by only 4 models?
     
  17. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Both the Samekh and CSU can be in the Daikini Core
     
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  18. Kortz

    Kortz Active Member

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    Is still a 5 man Core (3 Dakini + CSU + Samekh) and maybe if the game could benefit from having Shakti and Rudras solo (or a Harris with who members) and the Deva as a wildcard for the core if you lose a piece and keep the 5 man Bonus.
     
  19. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    You're missing the point entirely. The point is: ignoring cover is only relevant if the opponent has a cover to begin with. Impetuous have no cover, and with some pieces (mostly our climbing+ remotes, rudra and zayin) it's not unusual to catch the opponent out of cover.

    True. Note that i did point that in my first post :) On the other hand, if you don't want to repair your downed dakini for any reason (for example because you have only a few orders left for that turn), you still keep the fireteam thanks to number 2.

    There is another sort of drawback about the apsara - it needs to be in the same group. And if you're running limited insertion with a core + apsara, that's 6 miniatures out of 10 (and about 100-120 pts out of 300). It makes the list a bit rigid with so many "imposed slots".

    Overall, i really like assisted fire on the zayin, on K1 rudra and on a lone dakini HMG.