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First list after a long break.

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by LoganGarnett, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    Well. Getting back into Infinity after a long no-tabletop-games break (damn you, University!).
    Used to play Hassassins, but now, since my CA friend's been looking for a new army and is really fond of this sectorial, I decided to give my whole Hassasdin collection to him as a New Year gift. Not that I don't have selfish interest in this decicion:
    1) either that, or he'll get himself Panoceania..
    2) I'm tired of the depressive amount of unpainted models
    So, I'm left with a range of "Ramah" units and I'm dedicated to make them work!.. well, after I'm done painting them.

    So, what do you think 'bout this list?

    [​IMG] Idk wtf am I doing──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9
    [​IMG] TARIK MANSURI Lieutenant AP Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 53)
    [​IMG] TUAREG Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15)
    [​IMG] NAFFATÛN Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] NAFFATÛN Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] NAFFATÛN Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    [​IMG] NAFFATÛN Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    [​IMG] FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
    [​IMG] HAKIM Boarding Shotgun + 1 Nasmat A2 / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] NASMAT A2 Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
    [​IMG] KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) 4 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army

    General idea is:
    a) Fasid is there for 2 reasons. The first one is to cover Tarik's advance. The second one is to be a big scary and annoying guy: move up the table, lay down suppression fire etc. Even colored him with that idea in mind - among my generaly dark-colored models he stands out as the biggest and brightest one, bound to recieve opponent's attention.
    2) Tarik Lt for that extra order. Why AP Rifle Loadout? I just don't like the power of Fat 2 Spitfire.Too reliant on those increased Crit chances. And having L. Shotgun on fast model is really good.
    3) Tuareg + 2 Nasmats as an infiltrating specialist and a Doctor for Tarik, if he ends up being close. One Nasmat is close to Fasid, the other one is close to ARO pieces. Start in HD if going second, or in marker if going first.
    4) Hakim to pick up Tarik close to the table sides. Also for surprise Electric Pulse and BS and doing missions.
     
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  2. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I'd move the two Kameel Minesweepers to Group #1, and replace them with 2 Naffatuns there.
    The models in #2 are likely to be feeding their orders to Al Fasid / Hakim, so they may at the same time guard your DZ.
    In #1, you'll need a lot of Orders to move your active models around, so some will have to sit on their butts doing nothing anyway. Might as well be the Kameels in that role.
     
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  3. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, you're right. Haven't thought about that for some unknown reason.
     
  4. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Obvious things sometimes pass unnoticed ;)

    Also, keep in mind the "unconnected" Nasmats will be selling away the very existence of your Touareg Doc.
     
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  5. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    That's the point. The opponent knows there's a TO trooper somewhere, waiting to shoot him in the back or plant a mine..
     
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  6. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure it's possible to connect a nasmat with a unit in HD? I don't quite remember.
     
  7. KwarkyMats

    KwarkyMats Well-Known Member

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    According to the rules the only requirements for a synchronized servant like the Nasmats are the following:
    • Only troopers possessing the Doctor (any Level) or Engineer Special Skills can enlist G: Servant troopers in their Army List.
    • The player must identify which trooper each G: Servant trooper is linked to during deployment. They cannot be used by any other trooper.
    • The user of this Special Skill and its Doctor/Engineer must be in the same Combat Group, where both of them count as only one trooper.

      And the only way for it to get disconnected is if your Tuareg bites the dust:
    • If the Doctor/Engineer enters the Isolated state, or any Null state, then the G: Servant trooper will enter the Disconnected state at the end of the Order that happened.
    I think it's kind of possible, although I wonder about the identification part.
    In any case, you have to deploy the Nasmat at the same time you deploy your Hidden Deployment Tuareg.
     
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  8. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I'm 100% sure it is possible, as KwarkyMats clarified. And I'd even be fine with declaring the obvious information about TO Doctor to my opponent. After all, one of the Tuareg's roles in this list is similar to Fasid's. I can't help imagining Tuareg delivering cheesy one-liners to make sure enemies know that he's close :P
     
  9. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I recall a (2ed, but likely still valid) ruling that since oyu have to spend an Order activating the controller to use the G:Servant bot, the doc will drop out of HD(to Marker State) if the Nasmat does anything. Also, should you try to use Doctor skill via Nasmat, you drop out of Marker State.
     
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  10. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Yes. Because the Order is handed out to the model and the nasmat mimics the skill declarations.

    We'll leave out the whole "not-on-the-table" philosophy arguement.
     
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  11. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    Well, of course. It wouldn't be fair the other way around.
    And I see no issue with dropping out of HD/Camo when I decide that there's some scoring/doctoring to do.
    It's not my intention to be sneaky with Tuareg, it's to be very agressive, making my opponent fear him since the very beginning of the game. Nasmats' main role is declaring His presense, and secondary is helping him in healing when it's most needed and when Tuareg no longer cares about having his Camo/HD state.
     
  12. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Well, you are also announcing that the Taureg is a Doctor and eliminating the possibility (at this time) that it might be a Hacker. Just a thought.
     
  13. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    Well. Finally got to try this list out... against my friend who played Hassassins I gave him for New Year. So yeah, that game couldn't show if this list is good or bad, as I was very rusty after a long break, and my friend was learning a new faction.
    First of all I must say that infiltrating Daylami Panzerfaust is an ungodly abomination and I must atone for my sin of using them in every Hassassin list. One of them failed his infiltration roll, but still got to one-shot my Fasid on turn 1 on my friend's first Order. Wow.
    Overall, the list worked pretty well. Tarik did Tarik stuff - killed linked Govad Sniper and two linked Muyibs.. but got dropped by Ayyar on my reactive turn. Guess my plan for Tuareg kind'a worked, as my opponent tried extra hard to finish my unconcious Tarik off and ended up scoring two antennas for me. Hakim also worked pretty well, as he got to score one more antenna on my opponent's half.
     
  14. ik3rian

    ik3rian Anti-Ariadnian Specialist

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    Ain't no party like a 5x infiltrating PZF Daylamis and 4x Mutts party
     
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  15. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    Oh Allah no. How did my opponents handle such horror???
     
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    ik3rian Anti-Ariadnian Specialist

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    I used to run list like that, those nine irregulars with lasiq sniper, and second group with 3 minelayer farzans, 3x muyibs with two minelayers and lt, shibab, fanous and two ghulams, one of them with KD. Simple one trick list, but surprisingly successful with frontline-type or assasination scenarios. It take some orders to chew trough that.
     
  17. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Not for me: 3-4 of them would fail their Infiltration rolls. Kismet.
    So, trust in Allah, but tie your camel down - I use solely the non-Infiltrating PF Daylami (and Shotgun Daylami sometimes, too).
     
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