Fireteams, Close Combat and Shooting

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  1. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    Hi all,

    Just thought of this scenario and couldn't wrap my head around what happens. Let me paint the picture.

    There is a 5 man Magister Link, locking down the opposing Ariadna force with their Panzerfausts. However, Magister Knight, Sir "I-am-always-out-of-position", is attacked by an Assault Pack of Antipodes. At the end of the order Sir "I-am-always-out-of-position" and the Antipodes remain locked in combat.

    Question 1: Is there a 'post-combat' resolution phase, I'm thinking like 40k, where models can 'consolidate' (for want of a better term' into combat. Or when the Antipodes attacked Sir "I-am-always-out-of-position" of the 5-man Magister link - could his buddies have ARO engaged to help out (before dice were rolled to resolve the combat).

    Continuing with the scenario, the next order the Ariadnan player uses is on his Vet Kazak HMG. The Vet Kazak shoots at Magister knight, Sir "I-love-to-ARO-with-my-Panzerfaust", who is not in base-to-base with the Antipodes.

    Question 2: What happens if Sir "I-love-to-ARO-with-my-Panzerfaust" shoots back in ARO (with his Panzerfaust)?

    Option 1: Does the fireteam break if Sir "I-love-to-ARO-with-my-Panzerfaust" shoots back (as Sir "I-am-always-out-of-position" in CC obviously cannot also shoot back, meaning that the fireteam's AROs are not all identical)? Since the fireteam is broken, does that mean Sir "I-love-to-ARO-with-my-Panzerfaust" must shoot back at the Vet Kazak without the benefit of any fireteam bonuses?

    Option 2: Or is it Sir "I-am-always-out-of-position" who is currently locked in CC who is booted out of the link, meaning the Fireteam now only has 4 members. If so, does that mean that the AROs from Sir "I-love-to-ARO-with-my-Panzerfaust" does not benefit from the 5-man +3 BS bonus?

    Option 3: What if Sir "I-am-always-out-of-position" is the Link's leader. Does that change the Fireteam integrity if Sir "I-love-to-ARO-with-my-Panzerfaust" shoots back at the Veteran Kazak?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    1, there's no consolidation etc, but in the reactive turn the fireteam could have declared engage as their ARO, but they all would have to, including Sir always out of position, for whom it would function as a dodge

    2, nobody is booted from the link, because nobody declared a different ARO, but anyone in close combat does not have LoF and therefore cannot shoot.
     
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  3. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    So long as all the declared AROs are the same nobody drops from the link.

    So long as Sir "Always out of position" doesn't declare an ARO then the Fireteam's ARO will be "BS Attack".

    It's only an issue when you want to declare multiple different AROs.

    I have a 5 Moira core with an AHD Moira Sister "Almost a Custodier" in the link. Sir "Gets Hacked a lot" steps into ZOC of one of my Repeaters and simultaneously into LOF of Sister "Kills Aleph puppets for fun" who's armed with an MSR. I Declare BS Attack with Sister "Fun" and Oblivion with Sister "Almost". Because these are different AROs one or the other will need to drop from the link: I tell you the Fireteam's ARO is BS Attack (I get to decide this because there isn't a clear 'majority' ARO), so Sister "Almost" drops from the link.
     
  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Q1: Not really. Recent FAQ clarified that when all enemies you are engaged with are unconscious you may elect to disengage by separating models the minimum amount possible.
    Engage is essentially a Dodge that allows you to move into Base to Base. It will not help in the order it got declared since the movement won't be executed until after all rolls have been made.
    Q2-1: Each ARO is declared individually in a Fireteam. You get kicked out if you take an action that is in minority. No ARO means no ARO. So if Knight A shoots and Knight B does nothing, then Knight B is not in minority.
    Q2-2: In the given example, this situation can't happen*. However, it is correct that Fireteam bonuses are lost immediately and as such the +3 to BS would also disappear prior to rolling.
    Q2-3: In the given example, this situation can't happen*. However, if the fireteam leader takes a minority ARO, then the leader is kicked out and the link disbands due to having no leader.

    * Unless the Engaged model really, really, REALLY, wants to perform Reset and thinks the Kazak is in Zone of Control
     
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  5. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    So to clarify, link team members can choose not to declare an ARO. That simplifies things immensely.

    As I understand it then, so long as Sir "I-am-always-out-of-position" stays breathing and out of a Null State, Sir "I-love-to-ARO-with-my-Panzerfaust" will be able to ARO to his little heart's content with the benefit of the 5-man link.
     
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  6. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Precisely.
     
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  7. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Although you can't have a 5 member Fireteam of Magister Knights.
     
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