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Final List Selection - Advice Welcome

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by AdmiralJCJF, Jul 6, 2019.

  1. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    Hey everyone, it feels like a VERY long time since I last did this.

    The INZO (Infinity New Zealand Open), New Zealand's largest Infinity tournament, is on next weekend. We're expecting a record turnout (over 20 players! :-P ) and I'm coming in as the defending champ.

    I ran Vanilla PanOceania last year, but this season has been all about the Shock Army of Acontecimento. Of course, due to work and 3 kids at home under 5 (little miss 4, little miss 2 and little mr 1) I haven't had nearly enough games.

    Still, I'm relatively comfortable with the mission spread of:

    Round 1: Firefight
    Round 2: Transmission Matrix
    Round 3: Frostbyte
    Round 4: Rescue
    Round 5: Unmasking

    The first list I have at the moment is built around an ORC for the Core, two Nagas and Dart:

    INZO19 List 1
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    ORC HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 44)
    REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]1
    AKAL COMMANDO Spitfire / Pistol, E/M CCW. (1.5 | 28)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    I would be planning to use these for Transmission Matrix and Rescue, possibly also Frostbyte depending on matchup and therefore if I expect to need the ORC as Data Tracker or if the Tikbalang will do the job.

    The second list is built around the Tikbalang like so:

    INZO19 List 2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    TIKBALANG HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / AP CCW. (2 | 85)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    MACHINIST (SAA) (CH: Mimetism, Multiterrain) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    6 SWC | 298 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    This one is intended for Firefight and Unmasking, as well as possibly Frostbyte.

    But, yeah, I'm filled with doubt.

    Ideas, suggestions, am I being insane?
     
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  2. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    I think you should definitely use the first list for Transmission Matrix but I fear that you could have a hard time against VIRD, Nomads, ISS, IA and MO. You have only one hacker who will not be a threat for the heavies your opponent will play. I don't think you'll be in danger against any other armies (but be careful against Spiral Corp though).
    ASA is a good choice, here, but be careful with your second list as you don't have that much offensive troopers.
     
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  3. yoink101

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    I’ve run very similar, if not exactly the same lists numerous times and done well with them. The spitfire Akal is a situationally fantastic piece. I generally would prefer a solo Bagh Mari hmg because it performs a little more consistently for me as a flanker. The Akal can really take advantage of an opening if there is one or you manage to make one. The spitfire rangebands are amazing for hunting cheerleaders, even linked if you’re careful.

    The only thing I don’t like is the Naga FO with your tag. Without Dart to dig out hidden assault hackers and camo guys (I’m looking at you, Zulu Cobra jammers) you may run into a situation where the Tikbalang gets shut down and you don’t have the tools to free it up. I’d either drop the engineer’s palbot or downgrade the Techbee to a Warcore to upgrade the Naga to a killer hacker. I just like having the support and cover for my Tik, even more than the +1 wip or the extra coverage of a palbot.

    Any reason you have your fugazis in group 1 in your Tik list? I find they die often enough that I prefer them ingroup two with my support and replacement models who I can move into group one later if I need to.
     
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  4. daboarder

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    Off the top of my head, ASA seems like a good choice for a lineup rocking tranmission matrix. They've probably definitely got the best skirmisher hackers in PanO in the Naga, and with that in mind Id probably recommend doubling down on the KHD Naga in the list you plan to take for that mission (im assuming its the 2xNaga list) that gives you better chances of punishing anyone that tries massed spotlight or hacking domination without significantly losing you a lot. additionally they are mid range in price and can lock down lightly contested zones on their own.

    As to Firefight, Id probably reach for the ORC Lt, and Id probably match that list up with Frostbyte as well, in both those missions a linked HI Lt is going to go far, either denying Lt and pts kills in Firefight, or denying the DT and pts kills in Frostbyte, in Frostbyte it also means you can shed pretty much everything else in the list and not have to leave the DZ until turn 3 (and still work a win if things have gone that south) due to the ORC LT DT rocking 3 orders, so its pretty good insurance against losing that mission. You could make it the ORC HMG, but then youd have to accept that you are less likely to pick fights with it in your active so Id say grab the MR and see if you can fit a Bagh HMG into the list.

    Honestly at that point Id also be tempted to make such a list my list for unmasking as well for all the reasons concerning the ORC mentioned above. Though the Tikbalang will probably do that job well enough on its own in that mission. Id probably reach for the tikbalang in Rescue to be honest, its hurt least by the Sat zone (given its mimetism that actually kinda helps it) and the exclusion zone has hte potential to hurt your tri-skirmish list. Its also not slowed by the difficult terrain zone so is more than capable of running up and grabbing a civie or two and sling-shotting them back to your lines before falling back given its 6-4 movement.


    If you dont mind my putting my own spin on the lists (with minimal changes) Id consider these 2 ideas.

    List 1 for Firefight, Frostbyte, Transmission Matrix


    INZO19 List 1
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────
    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    ORC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40)
    BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    AKAL COMMANDO Combi Rifle / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0 | 22)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    4 SWC | 300 Points
    Open in Infinity Army


    And list 2 for Unmasking, Rescue (you had 2 pts to make the Naga FO a KHD in list two, given its WIP+3 and B2 for the console rolls in Unmasking I think that's a good change. I also suggest putting at least 1 specialist into group 1 so that you can push the buttons. In rescue it means you can use the Tech bee as a low risk Civie escort as well)

    INZO19 List 2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    TIKBALANG HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / AP CCW. (2 | 85)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6
    MACHINIST (SAA) (CH: Mimetism, Multiterrain) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    6 SWC | 300 Points
    Open in Infinity Army
     
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  5. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    Cheers.

    Good thoughts on both.

    I will think carefully about Transmission Matrix, having one Unhackable Naga seems like a good plan there.

    But the changes to the Tikbalang list are straightforward.

    I really appreciate the input.
     
  6. daboarder

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    It should be noted that you dont have to trigger both naga simultaneously, and given their marker state they are invulnerable to hacking pretty much until you want them to be. They also play into intel comm as KHDs with the potential to nab you an extra 2 points in the mission. But up to you
     
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    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    Ok, cheers for all the input.

    I'm happy with where List 1 has ended up, but I'm noodling around with List 2.

    Here's how it stands right now:

    INZO19 List 2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    TIKBALANG HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / AP CCW. (2 | 85)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    6 SWC | 298 Points

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    So, I've got two points in the bank and a Tech-Bee who could be swapped out.

    I am wondering if the Tech Bee is worth taking over the other options. I could get a PalBot for the Doctor, upgrade the Machinist, grab a WarCor... any two of those.

    Or maybe there's another option I'm overlooking?