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Double Action Fiday

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Natsymir, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Natsymir

    Natsymir Well-Known Member

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    I just played Looting & Sabotaging. Seeing as the Fiday with DA close combat weapon is Haqqislam's best option for damaging the enemy beacon or whatever it is, I went with that profile. I've never done so before, thinking either the Fiday with mines, for the same points cost, or the Fiday with boarding shotgun, for 2 points less (which is significant in a faction so full of super-cheap irregulars as Haqqislam), are better value.

    But boy did he deliver. It's not that he actually ever reached the enemy beacon, but he killed a Daktari AND a Sin-eater AND a Securitate (who turned out to be the enemy lieutenant), and he also outmaneuvered an Intruder so he had to cancel his suppression fire in order to do a change facing, and then was moved down by Tarik Mansuri.

    And I began to consider something...

    Not seldomly, when I surprise attack someone with my Fiday, naturally using my knife as I want the Shock damage, they pass their armor roll, and I'm stuck in a much-less beneficial close combat situation, where there's a real chance my enemy might win, due to the randomness of 1 D20 versus 1 D20. It might not even be worth spending more orders on that close combat, as I've often achieved at least a secondary objective, in tying up a dangerous enemy ARO piece.

    But with a DA weapon, the chance of them not taking at least one wound decreases significantly. And this is really good as the Fiday often want to take on scary medium infantry, area denial-units with ARM 3, like Sin-Eaters, Intruders or Nisses.

    Maybe that profile is worth its points, just like the Fiday with antipersonal mines is, after all?
     
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  2. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    It's always been worth it's points. You just have to know why you want it.
     
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  3. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    In my latest games (tournaments included) I' have used the fiday D/A, and it is a good piece to eliminate MI o LI, but against HI have somethimes problems, but when the rival have a lot of camo and infiltrators troops I' have missed the fiday with mines. So you need to choose what do you want to do, like @Papa Bey says.

    I think the best chance of the fiday is when he makes surpresive attack, later, if the rival have a decent cc, 17 or more, or little friend in disguise is in big problems. The best option here, not always, of course, is left the rival loose orders try to kill the fiday. With a -6 to shoot him probably you just can run away undamage, or be killed but only a few orders later. And if the enemy try to get down the fiday in CC ... so you have a better chance if they aren't CC specialist between the enemy troops XD.

    :)
     
  4. Sojourne

    Sojourne Irregular

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    couldn't the boarding shotgun do the same thing? but I agree through, I like bringing the DA version for Looting and Sabotaging as backup to Tarik.

    Generally though, if I want to do melee Fiday, I would just somehow shave 4 more points for Djab.
     
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  5. Xeurian

    Xeurian Well-Known Member

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    Step 1: Play Hassassin Bahram
    Step 2: Deploy 3 types of Fiday
    Step 3: ???
    Step 4: Profit
     
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  6. Myomer

    Myomer Tyrannosaur in an F-14
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    I think the DA Fiday is highly situational, but that with missions like The Grid and Looting and Sabotage he has a place. Previously I would almost always take the AP mines version for versitility, but this season the DA version has definitely seen some play.

    My definite highlight was surprise attacking an Aquila Guard HMG and realizing that...I had not updated my list since playing L&S, and I actually had a DA CCW! And he failed both armor saves! Thanks big CCW fiday; you the best.
     
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  7. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    I remember this if we play at Interplanetario XD hehehehe. But the chances are small XD "Jokes out".

    To hassasin, DA Fiday is a good tools to broke things, because he can be close to them "for free" and really aren't too many others ways to destroy objetives, maybe D-Charges in Muyibs or DA Asawira, but both have to run a very long way to the targets. And the fiday DA is supereffective killing the basics troops in CC, so you can get down the rival orders pool :) I think they aren't a "bad" fiday profile. All of them are great, maybe not the boarding shotgun because you have a light shotgun in the oder profiles and the AP only work if you don't use the template...
     
  8. Natsymir

    Natsymir Well-Known Member

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    That's a good point. I only ever take that profile because I love the model and/or am desperate to save points. The rifle+light shotgun is so superior that the boarding shotgun Fiday would have to cost even less to actually be worth it. 28 points would be fine, perhaps.
     
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  9. Natsymir

    Natsymir Well-Known Member

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    Yes of course she could, but as I said in the first post, I feel the enemy often makes their ARM roll, and then your surprise attack, your main advantage really, is wasted. The double action weapon make this scenario much less likely.

    I never take Al-Djabel. I simply feel he's too costly for what he does. He can't take on truly hard targets, martial arts lvl 4 is not very good compared to lvl 3, and he dies just as easy as other Fidays.

    I often run melee Fidays, however. Their surprise attack + martial arts lvl 3 really is their best chance of hitting most targets, whereas I have a frustrating tendency to botch their surprise shot rolls. BS 11 isn't very reliable.
     
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  10. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    I'am agree Hussein is a little more expensive than others fiday, but is only 4 points over, so it'isn't soo much. Yes, he dies like any other fiday, but he can kill troups easier than the others. And his ViralCCW is usefull against targets with total inmunity. I thought same as you before I had played Hussein a lot. This year I played most of the Tournaments with hassasin and I found that Hussein is a "must".
     
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  11. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    Hussein is very useful for his points. Hes my go to for Total Immune targets and LI fire teams. Viral benefits from shock but forces double BTS saves (great against USAriadna) and his MA4+ basic CCW of 24 can let him crit fish against TAG's or non CCW HI. MA4 is a VERY good skill, and Viral ammo alone is enough to take him.

    Personally my most common fiday is AP fiday. He is good against TAGs (running MA2 for DMG 16(?) AP is great, or just to lock up a tag in threatening position. DA is very situational and when you pay 31 for it, vs 31 for the AP Mine fiday, I would much rather take AP Mines.
     
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  12. Alkasyn

    Alkasyn Well-Known Member

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    I take Hussein in all my all-comers lists. Ma4 gives me a good chance of killing the target I need dead.
     
  13. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Hussein is really good. New sculpts plz!
     
  14. KedzioR_vo

    KedzioR_vo Well-Known Member
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    In the era of N2, when the rules for CC were different and Fidays had EXP CCW, while Djabel had similar stats to them and Viral CCW, I usually was using the plain Fiday. Sometimes both ;)

    Now, if I'm using Impersonator, I always go for Djabel. He is just pure better in everything - fighting in CC, shooting, even dodging and throwing smoke. The only thing superior for Fiday is his DA CCW in missions needing this, but to be honest, that's all I see. 4pts for upgrading normal Hassassin for Hussein is a must for me ;)
    There's no better Hassassin than Djabel.


    PozdRawiam / Greetings


    P.S. Funny thing - despite many years of playing Infinity I never ever used Fiday with mines. I rarely use mines at all, but maybe it's not a bad idea to try that Fiday in near future ;)
     
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