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Doctor vs Symbiont

Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by Nuada Airgetlam, Mar 24, 2020.

  1. Nuada Airgetlam

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    Can a Doctor heal up a Symbiont Armour to full capacity?
     
  2. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    No.

    (For full clarity: the doctor skill doesn't restore wounds, it cancels the unconscious state. A tohaa symbioarmour model that's unconscious and returns to consciousness will always, by definition, be returning to an inactive symbiont state.)
     
  3. Nuada Airgetlam

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    Is there any way in the game to do that at all?
     
  4. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Only sort of. The closest is the Revitalis pheroware tactic, which can restore a wound to a still-active symbiont profile (e.g. gorgos, rasail, ectros etc that are wounded but still active symbiont).

    It has sharply limited applications since you need to spend a single use symbiobomb to do it and it only works on a small subset of units. It'd be a great tactic to stick on a bioengineer, if any of those things stay the same in the next edition.
     
  5. Nuada Airgetlam

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    You mean on a Kumotail? Nothing has Corahtar L2, the symbiobomb seems the only way. And Revitalis says:

    > http://wiki.infinitythegame.com/en/Revitalis

    REVITALIS SHORT SKILL / ARO
    Optional, Support Tactic
    REQUIREMENTS
    EFFECTS

    So I rather guess, I need to stick the 'Bomb on the Gorgos and use it while he's still in Active Symbiont (doable because he's W3)? It's useless on W1/W1 Symbionts, maybe some use on the beefiest ones like Ectros, Neema, Kiel Saan or Rasail with W2/W1 Symbionts.
     
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  6. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Correct. Given a WIP roll is involved it's probably most useful on Neema, but generally I'd say that trying to restore wounds on symbiont models is a bit of a pipe dream.

    I do think using a doctor has some potential in tohaa though; with so many of our models being effectively shock/viral immune (in a sense; they can't be instant killed by those ammos) there's often a lot of unconscious bodies lying around to regenerate. And models like a Nikoul, or Gao-Raels, or Sakiels don't really lose that much for being alive by inactive symbio.
     
  7. Nuada Airgetlam

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    True and Kumotail is fairly cheap for being both Engie and Doc, he can do a lot of Specialist tasks or Classifieds, he has D-Charges, too, he can Triad and he can use many really cheap remotes (AVA4 3pts Chaksa Servants).

    Does being in a Triad give him a +3 to WIP tests? Does it work also via Servants?
     
  8. Abrilete

    Abrilete Well-Known Member

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    No, once the Symbiont Armour goes to Inactive state, it stays that way forever.
     
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  9. meikyoushisui

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    No, being in a triad does not give a WIP bonus (see the FT:Triad rule.)

    Can you clarify the second question here? What does "it" refer to?
     
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  10. Nuada Airgetlam

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    "It" was the +3 WIP bonus, if applicable - I thought that possibly it was on the Doctor / Engineer model only, not the remote Chaksa.

    But since there are no mods for Triad, the point is moot :)
     
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  11. Darkinga

    Darkinga Nómada Nómada

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    No, +3 WIP is for discover or hacking, not for enginner or doctor rolls. The triad bonus is only +1B if you play Tricore in Spiral you can use core bonus for 4 and 5 members. SS L2 and +3 to BS and WIP
     
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  12. Vocenoctum

    Vocenoctum Well-Known Member

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    Kumotail can be in fireteam, but G:servants cannot.
    "G: Servant trooper and its Doctor/Engineer cannot be part of a Coordinated Order nor be a member of any type of Fireteam, unless specified otherwise"
     
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  13. Nuada Airgetlam

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    But the Kumotail can still have G: Servants, they just will not move / act as part of the Triad, yes?
     
  14. Vocenoctum

    Vocenoctum Well-Known Member

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    Not from how the rule is laid out. A Kumotail can be in a triad, or a Kumotail can have Chaksa Servants, but not both. The servants are assigned at deployment and cannot be changed. If the Kumotail dies, the Chaksa will just huddle in the fetal position and cry. If the Chaksa dies, you could reforge a link and put the Kumotail into it, I should think.

    But while the Kumotail has a Servant assigned, they cannot join a fireteam.
     
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