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Dire Foes rework (Bipandra and Konstantinos) PanO edition

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by eciu, Feb 2, 2018.

  1. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    If I'd understood correctly with relase of Dire Foes 7 we will also see an overhaul of existing Dire Foes missions and actual Dire Foes characters.

    What do you hope/expect/resigned to regarding our 2 existing Dire Foes ?

    tbh I don't have idea what Bipandra could get (as well she's linkable with fusilier in NCA, a link team which usuall wants to be a static long-range firebase) ? CoC in NCA would be golden, but due to this reason it won't happen :D


    Konstantinos:
    Well he's quite a nice (if expensive) profile (MSV2 + mimetism is always nice, unless you have a superior MSV2+smoke). He somehow lost much of his "uniqness" in a way that Order Sergeants have now their own "specialist" (paramedic) and MO got a new source of MSV2 in form of infamous Black Friars.

    Only "interesting" option which I have in mind at the moment is to allow to link Konstantinos with full HI links. This would give them some edge when facing repeaters or other nasty stuff, while actually making link more expensive (as Koni is more expensive than a Magister Knight).

    What are your thoughts ?
     
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  2. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Maybe what is going to be rehauled is the Specops system? If they wanted to change it, they had a chance with Leyla Sharif/Xi Zhuang...

    Anyway, I expect the SWC cost removed from Bipandra, just from being a Medic it's... urgh. Or they could give her a Ghost:Sincronysed in the shape of Angus, ofc XD

    About MSV2, there is a profile with it among the Order Sergeants (it won't infiltrate), so the Black Friars didn't give "a second" MSV2. As for the smoke, remember PanO doesn't have regular smoke natively, and in fact only Acontecimiento has, and it's Eclipse. Having Mimetism and MSV2 is nice on its own, and being in the middle of the table... easy to impose a -6 to the enemy, not to mention receiving Greeks with Suppresive Fire so they fire at 3-4 against KONstantInos...
     
  3. Doa

    Doa Well-Known Member

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    Hope Bipandra get discount.
    Leave the shotgun, the 3bts pt and put them to 20/18pt 0swc(specialist operative put she in 20pt range imho. have all the DF characters SO skill?)
    I don't know if Kostantinos can have a discount, probably not.
    Kostantinos and TOFOOS have the same role but the second is simply better.
    I don't see him in same niche with BF. K is a mobile piece instead BF is a static piece.
     
  4. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    I was not saying that Koni should have all the toys he has now and get a points decrease, but if people think that Koni should work completly differnt to how it is working now as MO had quite changed since his release (OS having their own link specialist (srsly why this is even a big thing?) and MSV2 being available to MO on "proper" unit and not only band-aid OS MSV2 spitfire).

    Good he has albedo on short range gun ^^
     
  5. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Man... I'd love to see Bipandra able to take up point on a Fusilier link the way Lupe can for Alguaciles, but it's probably unreasonable to expect.
     
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    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Konstantinos is fine. Bipandra is a "combat medic" type, so I wouldn't expect her to get as killy as Lupe or Anyat. What I'd do, is to remove the Combi from her profile. LSG is a unique weapon for Fusilier link, and worth keeping. SWC tax should go, obviously.

    Fusilier Indigo Bipandra, Combat Medic
    Doctor, V:Courage, Medikit, Specialist Operative

    Light Shotgun+Nanopuser/Pulzar, Flash Pulse - 22 pts
     
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  7. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    How did you got 22 pts ? I have doubts if single LSG on Doctor (who you usually want to preserve) is desirable option for a Fusilier link...

    Is is me or she seems to provide less hm.. "speciality"/toys/skills for a link than a both of newest Dire Foes ?
     
  8. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Points are an approximation, it might actually get a little lower. She could use some other options, like Number 2, or ADHL.

    Shotgun is there more as a defense than tool for attack, though I can easily see situations when one might risk her. Dire foes never were about perfect optimization, anyway.
     
  9. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Apparently the new ones are. I'm very curious how the DF7 will look like.
     
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  10. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Specialist operative is another thing that should go, Medic already covers it... ^^U
     
  11. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    This super niche combination in theory has some merit.

    Problem is if more than 10 people worlwide will ever use it in a year...
     
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    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I fail to see where. Doctors are already Specialists Operatives at all effects, with some bonus in certain ITS scenarios. If she were Artillery Observer that would be another thing entirely, but...
     
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    eciu Easter worshiper

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    ITS Interference use of classified objective card. If someone is both Specialist (doc, engi, fo, hacker) AND Specialist operative hes immune to that. But that probably most niche combination of usefulness in whole infinity...
     
  14. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    He is not. Using the Intelcom (interference) removes the Specialist Operative tag (it is added "or specialist troop" as an artifact for older, non-FAQed, dead tree versions), not "one Specialist Operative tag". A Specialist Troop is the same thing as a Specialist Operative...
     
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    eciu Easter worshiper

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    " established by the Initiative, the player can use his INTELCOM Card applying the Interference Mode to nullify the Special Rule Specialist Troop OR the Special Skill Specialist Operative at his choice."
    My emphasis. RAW would say that one of them stays on Bipandra.
     
  16. ThananRollice

    ThananRollice Your Friendly Neighborhood Locust
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    Personally, I love Konstantinos. I use him very frequently when I have objective-heavy missions to accomplish. He really adds a lot to the Order Sergeant link team, and he's the only linkable MSV in MO.

    I love the idea of Bipandra. I really want to be able to bring Bipandra in my link of Fusiliers to give them some extra survivability. I have tried really hard to include Bipandra in my recent lists, to no avail. In NCA, I'm often starved for SWC as it is, so her 0.5 SWC is daunting. She also costs around twice as much as a normal Fusilier. I don't really know how we could fix her other than getting rid of the SWC and maybe giving her a slight point decrease.... Or maybe she could link with Bolts as well?

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  17. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    I would say reduce her to WIP12, but give her Doctor Plus. That way she'd be really odd duck, a good Doctor but basic Fusilier as far as objective taking is concerned.

    Maybe some other changes, but I think this would make her quite unique overall.
     
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  18. TaHu

    TaHu Well-Known Member

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    Dire foes idea is pretty good. Usual infantry character with some unique skills. Konstantinos is pretty cool(infiltration version) but I don`t mind getting red fury for him(maybe a bit OP but would be awesome)
    Bipandra doesn`t bring anything unsual(except the cost XD) and interesting. Maybe skills from upcoming book. If Bipandra is inside link every her activation is a free aro to your fusiliers which is bad. Mines + minelayer is the only useful thing I can think off
     
  19. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    I would just remove Specialist Operative but exchange Combi rifle+light shotgun for SMG+LFT. Would be very exotic in PanOceania in general to be interesting. Plus the fact that she would cost much less.
     
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  20. gregmurdock

    gregmurdock Extremely Beloved Member

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    I think this would go a long way in improving her plus the obvious removal of the 0.5SWC. Maybe even a profile that allows her to Haris with two Fusiliers in NCA.

    For Konstantinos, he's too fragile as an infiltratior without a marker state and PanO doesn’t have good methods to support their infiltratiors. Limited or Ambush Camo would be a good choice.
     
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