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Devil's Advocate...

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Awash in Blood, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. Awash in Blood

    Awash in Blood Agent of Devastation

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    Just to play devil's advocate about the new Hakims, do we really need another doctor profile? Were we really lacking that? Did it plug some hole we had?
     
  2. Aldo

    Aldo Spare 15

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    Do we even have their unit profile so we can critisize it?
     
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  3. Awash in Blood

    Awash in Blood Agent of Devastation

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    It's a medic. It's in the title.
     
  4. Aldo

    Aldo Spare 15

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    Ad Doc is good, if that is what it ends up being.
     
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  5. Xeurian

    Xeurian Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but do we know how many points it costs? How survivable it is? How good it is at making it's way to objectives? How many other doctors will be available in whichever Sectorial it will be available in? Does it have special rules related to how it handles Nasmats? What is their AVA? Will they be a lower cost Akbar Doctor?

    Without knowing any of these things its difficult to say what it will add.
     
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  6. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    But @Aldo has hit the bullseye.

    We don't know what kind of "medic" it is.
    The rumor is - an Aerial Deployment medic. We didn't had that before. Nomads do - and being a Corregidor player as well, I'll say the Tomcats are worth their weight in gold - despite not being any better in doctoring than the run-of-the-mill Daktari are.

    We assume it is a medic for the Ramah Task Force sectorial. And we have little idea on what is going to be available in it as far as the Doctors go.

    There are also rumors Hakim is to be Akbar Doctor, and of these, we have only Janissary so far. Which isn't likely to turn up in the RTF, so having an Akbar Doc of their own would be very useful to any multi-Wound trooper in Ramah (from Tarik to Al-Fasid.. and whatever else is assigned to RTF).

    Not enough data. Not even for playing devil's advocate.
     
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  7. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    Even without knowing the full profile, the rumored AD Doctor Plus will fill a unique niche.

    Ghulam Doc+ fits in links or cheap with a Nasmat. The Janissary is a useful combat doctor, especially for supporting big guys with Akbar. The Asawira fills a similar role, but with the N3 changes it's probably best in its own link.

    The Tuareg is probably the closest direct challenger to the Hekim as an upfield support / combat medic, but there are significant differences between TO and AD. Most lists probably won't have both, but either could work as a Tarik support piece.

    If the Hekim gets Akbar or Engineer (which it might, given the Nasmat options) I could see this becoming a really nice sectorial defining unit. Even without that though, it seems unique enough.
     
  8. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Haqq should probably at least match the best doctor choices but Tomcats would get used all the time on Haqq.
     
  9. Alkasyn

    Alkasyn Well-Known Member

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    It's okay, even if I hope for a generic doctor to put in any Link/Haris.

    AD Doctor is fine too. Do we need 3 Nasmats in their box? Probably not.
     
  10. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    3 Nasmats in a box with 2 Hakims would be unprecedented. So I assume it will be 2 Hakims and 2 Nasmats - the pic showing three of the assistant REMs is merely to show them better, I think.

    Now, owning a pair of old Nasmats since the day they were a blister pack of their own, I sincerely hope there will be a reason for having 4 G:Servants. Maybe AVA 4 for Nasmat in the RTF? There are sectorials out there that can pull this off, and if anyone in Haqqislam would, the Ramah Task Force would be the right place, I guess.
     
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  11. HardDisk

    HardDisk Well-Known Member

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    Maybe Nasmats and Hakims+Nasmats will have diferents AVAs
     
  12. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    This is what I think: same body, same head, different arms = "engineer" nasmat loadout (although hakims aren't engineers themselves). It's there for variety/consistency between support packs/nice looking design/can't say no to the sculptor
     
  13. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    Edit: Hmm... duplicated message :expressionless:
     
  14. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Are we 100% sureof that?
    Historically, IIRC, they were multidisciplinarians, most commonly medics, astronomers and mathematicians in one, but I'm pretty sure quite a few had a good grasp of "applied mathematics" - which would be considered "engineering" nowadays: architecture or mechanics.

    So, until we get the profiles, I wouldn't exclude the possibility of Hakim / Hekim being Doctor Plus / Akbar Doctor or plain old Engineer... or even both at once.

    Mind that I won't bet any money on that possiblity, and I have no inside information - it is pure speculation on my part.
     
  15. precinctomega

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    That's my suspicion. Although in modern parlance "Hakim" means "doctor" in some Arabic dialects, the more precise word for a medical doctor is "tabeeb". "Hakim" literally means "wise one", coming from the word "hikm" or "wisdom", which is really closer to the Early Modern idea of "natural philosophy" (which the Arabs got to about five hundred years before Europe).

    So it could easily encompass both medicine and technical expertise. And whilst we're not short of great doctors, I wouldn't mind a better engineer!

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  16. Red Harvest

    Red Harvest Day in, Day out. Day in, Day out. Day in, DAY OUT

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    Najjarun is a fine engineer. So is the Kaplan. Really, two of the better engineers in the game. Play a machinist some time. You'll appreciate the najjarun. Believe me.

    It is a support box, which means 1 doctor with nasmat and 1 engineer with nasmat. Unless CB is trying to baffle us yet again with their capricious packaging decisions. Two doctors? We'll see in a week or two when the Army Builder updates.

    The three nasmats shown are unique. Look carefully at them.
    Screenshot at 2018-04-23 04-25-56_v1.jpg
    Two different heads, 3 different arm sets -- 4 different arms ( medipistol, engineer, right arm w /rage fist, right arm without)-- and 2 different leg sets. Possibly 2 different bodies. An extra (engineer) head and engineer arm makes it possible to configure that 2nd nasmat as doctor or engineer. The different leg sets a nd alternate right arm ( and maybe bodies) make it possible to have 2 unique doctor nasmats if you want.This is a very nice touch. (if true) and very much something people have been clamoring for.

    But We Haqq players always deserve this sort of treatment.
     
  17. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Well, Hakims are explicitly "medical assistance team"...
     
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  18. ik3rian

    ik3rian Anti-Ariadnian Specialist

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    I'm really digging their look, reminds me about Imperial Guard' Krieg Corps - my Ariadna-playing friend will surely add them to his army :P
    And since Hakims are destined to be in RTF, where we already have pricey behind-the-line doc (Tuareg) and prolly linkable but pricey docs (Zhayeboi and Khawarijis - one is as survivable as LI can be, second one is a glass cannon). I'm not including Ghulams here because i'm not 100% sure we gonna see them here. Dunno, maybe i'm missiing something out but it's actually a possibility.
    We cannot dismiss role-doubling, but i'm pretty sure Hakims aren't gonna be linkable option (unless they gonna have special Haris) and they don't seem to have that frontline armour MI's and HI's roll, so this leaves us with few interesting options:
    • cheap (maybe ~20-24) AD deployment
    • backdoor medic instead of Ghulams - SMG and BSG ain't weapons for someone who likes 8+ firefights
    • least possible, but maybe they'll have some sort of limited camouflage? that would give them some survivablity
    Just ideas, because unless we gonna miss out Ghulams in RTF, i don't feel having LI medic that's not offering anything more.

    Welp, we just need to wait.
     
  19. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Ghulams are definitely in, because the vanilla starter is the RTF starter in disguise.
     
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  20. ik3rian

    ik3rian Anti-Ariadnian Specialist

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    Oh yeah, i forgot about that.
     
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