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Declaring ARO against not yet valid enemies

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by eciu, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Sooooo let have a situation:

    Actice player A activates few of his models (either through G:Sync or Coordinated order).

    For example:

    Brave magister Knight performs Coordinated Order with de Fersen. He moves with his first short movement into LoF of enemy Ninja Sniper. Ninja sniper also knows that just around the corner (but not yet in his LoF) waits brave Father Officer Gabriele de Fersen. Ninja doesn't care much about magister knight, but would love to shoot at higher rank Knight who is just around a corner.

    Question: can Ninja actually declare BS attack against Fersen even though said knight isn't (yet) in his LoF ? Can ninja do that in anticipation that said Fersen will move into his (Ninja's) LoF during his 2nd short skill ?
     
  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    No, LoF is a requirement for declaring BS Attacks.
     
  3. macfergusson

    macfergusson Van Zant is my spirit animal.

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    No, there is nothing in Coordinated Order (or Synch) that allows you to delay your ARO.
     
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  4. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    It's also the first FAQ entry on both the Ghost and Command Token pages... :tongueclosed:

    Q: An Auxilia and his Auxbot declares Move as first Short Skill of his Order. A Celestial Guard who only has LoF against Auxbot decide not to declare any ARO. With the second Short Skill, the Auxilia and Auxbot Move again, so that the Auxilia is now within the LoF with the Celestial Guard. Could the Celestial Guard declare an ARO against Auxilia now?
    A:
    No, because the Auxilia and the Auxbot generated a single ARO as they possess the G: Synchronized Special Skill. Therefore, as the Celestial Guard has decided not to declare his ARO after the first Short Skill, he has lost the ability to declare any ORA against that Order.
    Related Pages: ARO, G: Servant, G: Synchronized, Fireteams in the Active Turn, Coordinated Orders, Structure of an Order
     
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  5. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    To follow up on this: note that everything about the BS Attack must be decided upon declaration (target/ammo/burst split). You cannot declare BS Attack and wait to pick a target for it after the second short skill.
     
  6. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    @ijw that is how I supposed it to work but then I've started meditating about whole "coordinated order stealth shaneningas with hackers" and got confused.

    @All: Thanks for answers!
     
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  7. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Yeeeeah... but the ninja should be a KHD to this factoring here! XD

    As you described the situation, the (almost never deployed in game) ninja sniper sees the Magister when the movement ends, and has to declare ARO. THEN De Fersen and the Magister have to declare the second short order... which will be inaction for the Magister if De Fersen hacks or performs an objective capture, or inaction for De Fersen if the Magister dodges, or fires against the Ninja. Or they can both move, and the ninja fires against the Magister but now De Fersen is closer.
     
  8. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    We are talking about ARO BS attack, so no splitting your burst
     
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  9. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    True, though I thought it might be prudent to include it, so as not to leave anything out of what's required when declaring a BS attack.
     
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