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Daofei BSG should go to engineering school

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Weathercock, Aug 6, 2021.

  1. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    It's been discussed a bit previously, but the Daofei received one of the less inspiring transitions on the way over to N4. They went from being easily one of the very best troopers in the entire game to simply being really, really good, as their toolkit was expanded with largely incidental kit to keep their price point mostly the same with their previous edition incarnation. Compared against the point drop and potent NCO buff that the Hac Tao received, it could be argued that the Daofei has a hard time keeping up with their sneakier and deployment-zone bound cousin, but I'd be inclined to say otherwise as they're both still very solid options in their own right.

    However, there is one profile for the Daofei that definitely does feel like it was left behind, or that it never really was on board to begin with. The BSG has always felt present but never tempting to me, and the addition of the Zhencha with the Invincible Army certainly doesn't help in this regard (even though the value of that profile is also questionable). He's always been missing something, and N4 just makes that emptiness all the more apparant.

    But, one area where Yu Jing went from being embarrassingly deficient in N3 to being one of the top contenders in the game in N4 is the addition and application of strong, versatile combat engineers. Krit 2.0, Jeong, and others really turned Yu Jing's engineering facilities right around (except for ISS, they're still learning how to read).

    So why not send the BSG Daofei to the same engineering school we sent the rest of our engineers for a bit of levelling up? Slapping engineer onto the BSG profile would separate the loadout from the Zhencha, and give him a lot of supportive utility that could get some serious mileage in White Banner, and act as a solid alternative to Krit in vanilla.

    I think it's time our bandits made something of themselves and got a degree, and the State Empire is in a great position to foot their college fund.
     
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  2. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I agree in that they need another specialist other than the Hacker. I'm just not sure Engineer makes sense though. If it was in a demolitions sense maybe. But to me they always seemed more of a recon type unit. So FO or SO would be more appropriate. The BSG is actually a great weapon for him. BS13 at close range along with mimitisim, cover and surprise is devastating.
     
  3. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Well, make him a bandit that specializes in demolitions, then. It's not like CB really worries too much about the Daofei fluff as things are. And White Banner could use an independent combat engineer more than it could use another FO. Having a forward-positioned pit stop for your Blue Wolf or Shang Ji would be pretty neat. Especially for the Blue Wolf, who is pretty vulnerable to bricking by default and wants to push harder up the table than most other TAGs.
     
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    Fed4ykin Well-Known Member

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    That I would like a lot actually. Can we ad AP mines to the cake please. Let him do the: no matter what you pick as ARO you eat a template/hit game.
     
  5. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    so
    what actual gameplay issues with the unit would it solve?
    doing two more cards in Countermeasures? wow
    being engineer is more of a free bonus on n4 krit kokram

    feels like a throwing thing at a darts board suggestion
     
  6. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Again, having an independently operating trooper with moderate hacking protection in the form of marker state that can operate efficiently in the midfield to patch up hacking/EM-vulnerable troopers pushing forward, such as the Blue Wolf, which are themselves much more vulnerable to such disruptive tactics in an environment where those hacking tools are so much more viable.

    You know, that thing you want to use engineers for.
     
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  7. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    you shouldnt pay 49 points to waste orders fixing your mistakes made with a 71 point model
     
  8. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Okay, pay 49 points for a respectable secondary attacker, mid-field cleaner, and button pusher that can also fix your mistakes made with a 71 point model in its spare time.

    The point here being that the BSG Daofei doesn't need a drastic reworking or significant changes to its actual combat ability. It just needs a little cherry on top to give it some added versatility and complete its package.
     
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  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I've never really got Daofei to work all that well. They're a large investment and a unit that largely gets stopped in the same manner as other skirmishers, with the added drawback of being hackable once the Marker state is gone. Once the Marker gig is up, I've had better success simply running and gunning a Mowang up the table for the same points.
    All that is fine and well, but since the Daofei is too barebones to brute force obstacles you kind of need the rest of the list to work well and at 55 points the Daofei affects your list a bit more than I like.

    That said, on the list building and function side of things what I miss with the Daofei is stuff to hunt down units that's holed up on roofs, so Climbing+ would be beneficial to the list they are in. I do not think the Daofei necessarily needs to be a specialist in all profiles, or any profile for that matter, it works very well in being a combat unit where Guilang are a bit of a noodle, so were I to upgrade the units I'd look at grenades which is more of a tech choice. Having some actually useful CC wouldn't be terrible on them either, but CC is expensive.

    That said, I'm not sure either are needed. On the whole, there are a lot of profiles that are just simply put bad and there's very little about the Daofei BSG that stands out as an exceptional issue. After all, you don't always want a hacker and hacker is the only way to get a close range weapon other than the BSG.

    One quality of life upgrade I'd like to see is them dropping the Cube, though. On the whole all the cube does is make the Daofei unable to do anything to the Avatar.
     
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  10. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    Daofei Boarding shotgun is not a respectable attacker or mid-field cleaner in any way, shape or form, unfortunately

    of course he doesnt need a drastic reworking, he just needs a sizable price cut to compete with Zhencha and, going out of faction, even things like Sombra, which is considered unplayable joke unit even at 39 and with additional gear
     
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  11. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I think he already is demolitions since every single profile comes wit D-Charges. But AP mines would be fantastic. Also more than Shock CCW. DA can go a long way.

    He and the Zhencha need to go to Sombra school and get that BTS grade up! :rage:
     
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