Hey guys! I am preparing for the upcoming big local tournament and want to discuss my lists. Maybe I could acquire good advice or constructive criticism which will help me to perform better. As a thank you, I could write a report afterwards :-) So there are planned 5 missions in the tournament: 1. Supplies 2. Firefight 3. Unmasking 4. Custom mission, similar to Acquisition but with additionals objectives (Finish line by VaulSC) 5. Custom mission uknown to me I have built two lists. First one with smart missile which I am planning to play against hi-tech/tough factions and in firefight/unmasking by default. I have not played smart missile before but think that it might work well in JCC. Also I have some concerns about squishy ARO's and fast degradation of the link. Smart Corregidor ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 1 TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 36) WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23) WILDCAT (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) EVADER (Engineer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, AP Mines ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) DAKTARI Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14) VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 17) McMURROUGH Chain Rifle(+1B), Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP + DA CC Weapon. (0 | 27) MORAN (Surprise Attack [-3], Camouflage [1 Use]) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, D-Charges, Crazykoala / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 18) INTRUDER (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 38) HELLCAT Combi Rifle ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 24) GROUP 2 5 JAZZ Hacker & BILLIE undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 24) JAZZ (Hacker) Submachine Gun, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 18) BILLIE Flash Pulse, E/M Mines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army And second one. It has been build for supplies/finish line and camo-heavy armies. I thought about Gekko but have not managed to build good roster with him. Semi-Pain Train ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 1 EVADER MULTI Rifle, Panzerfaust, D-Charges ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 25) EVADER AP Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 29) EVADER Feuerbach, D-Charges ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 31) MOBILE BRIGADA (Lieutenant) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 32) DAKTARI Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14) JAZZ FTO (Hacker, Number 2) Submachine Gun, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 19) JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11) JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11) JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 10) McMURROUGH Chain Rifle(+1B), Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP + DA CC Weapon. (0 | 27) GROUP 2 5 INTRUDER Heavy Machine Gun, Grenades / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 41) MORAN (Surprise Attack [-3], Camouflage [1 Use]) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, D-Charges, Crazykoala / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 18) MORAN (Surprise Attack [-3], Camouflage [1 Use]) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 18) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army So I would appreciate any criticism.
Corregidor's a lot of fun right now. Tons of interesting ways to build lists. Nothing "wrong" here for sure, though I'm very keen on trying out Carlotta again. I'm constantly unsure on Moran's just because I'm very fond of the repeater coverage with Jazz. I also really want to test out that NCO spitfire and being able to build a Wildcat link on the cheap is really compelling.
Thank for response! I have already tried Carlotta and I don't like her too much. As a "backstabber" she is not very reliable and too expensive. In this role I prefer hellcat with spitfire which can outrange enemy cheerleeders (they are usually with combi) and clear enemy backline reliably. As a specialist she needs too many orders to reach the antena/console. In this role hellcat hacker/paramedic is better. But there is one mission where Carlotta is outstanding - Countermeasures. She can fulfill so many cards for 1-3 orders... I love morans and wildcat nco too :) But usually I can't find a place for NCO in my lists. I am eager to try haris wild NCO + wolf + lupa because it can do almost everything and should perform well against camo/mines spam. Unfortunately I haven't found an opportunity for that yet.
I love corregidor and think these look fun! Question is why the camo moran over the repeater? Especially the first list with the vertigo Zond. I would opt for the repeater and use jazz to spotlight through it. And you’re right about carlotta vs hellcat. If I have 30 points for her, I tend to lean towards getting 1.5 swc for the spitfire. Especially if I have an EVO. Landing on 18’s is great.
I carefully thought about it. Repeater option is very tempting indeed. But moran without camo is easy target for opponent and need template weapon to make opponent to pay for moran killing. So it should be moran repeater with boarding shotgun which is not very good in active turn. I prefered camo+combi because it's more agressive and reliable on active turn (especially with surprise attack) and the list doesn't have many models for active turn aggression. But I am not realy sure that my decision is right and will think about it one more time. Thanks for drew attention to this!
Midfield repeaters are really useful, especially with Jazz and Vertigo, and for how you are using Camo Morans, Bandit would do a lil better (but depending on profile, you'd be paying as much as 1.5 Morans for one Bandit). I'm playing vanilla and I'm usually bringing 2 BSG Morans. I almost never use Morans for active turn shooting and with BSG and Flash Pulse you're not missing out on rangebands of Combi. I am however missiong out on SF for guarding the objective last turn, but in my expirience Morans rarely live till last turn anyway.
I am totally agree that moran repeater is very usefull. Especially with vertigo and jazz. But I am afraid situation if opponent kill my jazz/vertigo and smart missle cause to function. I am trying to develop some "plan B" in this case. Now it looks like vertigo -> intruder -> moran CR (tsyklon and cat are standing on ARO and could be killed). I'll definitely try to find a place for moran repeater but I'll need to redesign the rest of the list.
Hi there! I have played CJC for many many years, and rarely if ever used a Moran in active duty. The beauty of the Moran is forcing ARO forks, and now with the template, even better. Ideally they are not exposed, in a position where somebody getting into ZoC and LoF to shoot at him/her would face 3 threats: - A Koala, - A shot/template, - An ARO Hack. Although using the Camo Moran like a Libertos is not... a terrible ideia, they are usually far more valuable projecting threat in the midfield. Now I am curious, give it a go and let us know. However, due to low BS (EDIT, it is BS12, I thought they were 11) and being super fragile, we have much better options that will double as 2nd or 3rd offensive power. As said, a Bandit is much better in that role due to its CC ability; an EVAder can access better angles in the field, a MB with a BSG can swing up faster, hit harder, and sustain damage. And of course, we have the top-tier missile, McMurder. Even a hellcat or a tomcat entering from the side provide more reliable late game aggression than a Moran in my humble opinion. As an "expensive" aggressive combo I like Carlotta + an aggressive Haris. For example, a MB BSG, Massacre BrkCombi + a Jaguar. The BSG is excellent for turning corners, Massacre is amazing at crossing gaps with Eclipse, and if they hit it close, its goodbye. Carlotta or other pieces need to open the gap, but she is GOOD at finding that angle at the ARO piece locking you down and making them turn facing... plus double Adhesive shots to the back solve issues brute forcing cannot, like a TAG or a SuperHI.
Thanks, Willen! It's good point. Btw I thought again and rebuilt list like that. I replaced intruder and hellcat (as khd, second offensive force and repeater delivery) for bandit and vostok. They fulfill same roles but in more straight way and vostok is more scarry then intuder and could help to reforge the link. Also I had to replace FB on tsyklon with spitfire and link became much more agressive. What do you think? Smart Corregidor ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 8 2 1 TSYKLON Spitfire, Pitcher / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 33) WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23) WILDCAT (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) EVADER (Engineer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, AP Mines ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) DAKTARI Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14) VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 17) McMURROUGH Chain Rifle(+1B), Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP + DA CC Weapon. (0 | 27) MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17) BANDIT (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher ( ) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 25) VOSTOK FTO (Mimetism [-6]) Mk12(+1 Dam) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 44) GROUP 2 4 1 JAZZ Hacker & BILLIE undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 24) JAZZ (Hacker) Submachine Gun, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 18) BILLIE Flash Pulse, E/M Mines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) 5.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army
Would give it a spin, I like it. I would downgrade the Bandit KHD to FO, save a couple points (and give the Bandit one less vulnerability, he is NOT a good hacker to face hacking AROs), while retaining the Specialist potential. And with that change I believe you have the 3 pts to upgrade the Transductor to a Jaguar; unless you want the flashpulse, the jaguar can even do a false-Haris (a duo) with the Vostok and move upfield, provide smoke coverage and close-point defense either of the DZ or the Vostok itself. But if you want ARO potential, I would try to get one more point off somewhere and leave a Jaguar Panzerfaust hanging around.
If you go with the Jaguar, I would consider breaking off the Vostok, Evader-engineer and Jaguar into a super mobile/dangerous haris and build a core link around the Wildcats, Tsyklon, Daktari and Jazz (I know Billie is a nice cheap order, but protecting/buffing Jazz in a link is REALLY good).
Willen, theomc, thanks for ideas! Also I checked missions which are planned for tournament and have came to the following conclusions: 1. There are 3 classified objectives in Firefight. So replacing hellcat and intruder(both MI/Elite troops) with vostok and bandit is a bad idea. 2. I want more ARO because of unmasking. So tsyklon with spitfire is also not very good for that. 3. Both smart missile and McMurder are very greedy for orders. So I think it would be ok if I remove the dog from the list since probably I'll just not have orders for him. Keeping in mind these theses I rewrote list like that: Smart Corregidor V3 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 36) WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23) WILDCAT (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) EVADER (Engineer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, AP Mines ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) DAKTARI Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14) VOSTOK FTO (Mimetism [-6]) Mk12(+1 Dam) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 44) VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 17) BANDIT (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher ( ) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 25) MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17) HELLCAT Combi Rifle ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 24) GROUP 2 4 1 JAZZ Hacker & BILLIE undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 24) JAZZ (Hacker) Submachine Gun, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 18) BILLIE Flash Pulse, E/M Mines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army I like the idea of haris of vostok+jaguar+evader and I tried to built list with it. It turned out a roster below. I really don't like idea to keep Jazz in core link all time because it's too easy to break the fireteam on aro and activation of ARO-fireteam for hacking is not always possible. I prefer to spend one order and hide under cybermask. Therefore I replace bandit with wildcat KHD. Smart Corregidor V4 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 36) WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23) WILDCAT (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Light Flamethrower ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) WILDCAT (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) JAZZ FTO undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 19) JAZZ FTO (Hacker, Number 2) Submachine Gun, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 19) DAKTARI Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14) EVADER (Engineer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, AP Mines ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11) VOSTOK FTO (Mimetism [-6]) Mk12(+1 Dam) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 44) VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 17) GROUP 2 4 1 MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17) MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army I don't know yet which list I like more :-)
If you want to play the GML I would play at least 2 Hacker with Spotlight. I would change the Killer Hacker with Valerya.
Minor points, more like talking points: 1) Bandit FO can also do classifieds (better and cheaper than either), except for a few as you mention that require MI or Elite. And even then you can "opt out" of them when drawing the cards, so I guess I don´t see it as such a drawback. 2) Agreed. The main point for me of the Tsyklon Spit is that it benefits greatly from the X-Visor and link bonus, giving it incredible range. But it is not a great shooter, not great durability, not a great weapon... 3) Agreed BUT they typically do not want orders at the same time. McMurder wants order typically turn one, for an alpha, the GML will require orders only after you spotlight something, which may came at a later turn. Remember Jazz FTO has Number 2, which means that the link does NOT break if something else that was on ARO duty dies. So the link retains the Sixth Sense and tinbot coverage while all being in cover (because you only exposed that Tsyklon Feuer or Wildcat HRL or Brigada ML, right?) This is the way! I agree. The Wildcat Hacker is also incredible solid, although those 8 extra points hurt.
I am totally agree. I just doubt if I need alpha with the dog on the first turn. Yeh, I know about number 2 (wilcats have it too). I mean that I can't declare shooting and hacking on aro if hacker in the fireteam (I can actually but hacker will quit the fireteam). And if someone sees fireteam members (wc with HRL for example who want to stand on ARO) and if I declare hacking my models would get a shot in their faces. I am totally agree again. But I need additional 0.5 SWC for that. I'll try...
If the option is shoot or hack, shoot jajajaja! Totally forgot that Wildcats gained Number 2 as well. Tells at how much I have looked at them in the new edition.
I have reread missions, found custom one which was uknown previously and defined what I want to see in the list: 1. Hellcat Hacker - as second hacker for GML, as backstabber and as specialist which can press button in any point of battlefield. Available 14 of 20 classified are good bonus. 2. Bandit FO/KHD - as second infiltrator specialist and as second/third offensive force. 3. Vostok - as backup plan if something will go wrong with GML and as durable guy for controlling keypoints. (I assume that I'll kill models with MSV and will use suppressive fire for vostok which gives opponent penalty -12 for shooting). So I came to this list but I need to get 2 points somewhere. I see only two variants: remove warcor or make evader non-engineer. What do you think? Smart Corregidor V3 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 36) WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23) WILDCAT (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) EVADER (Engineer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, AP Mines ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) DAKTARI Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14) VOSTOK FTO (Mimetism [-6]) Mk12(+1 Dam) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 44) VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 17) BANDIT (Forward Observer) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 23) MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17) HELLCAT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 29) GROUP 2 4 1 JAZZ Hacker & BILLIE undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 24) JAZZ (Hacker) Submachine Gun, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 18) BILLIE Flash Pulse, E/M Mines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 302 Points Open in Infinity Army
Remove the warcor... if he doesnt fit, he doesnt... the other pieces are more valuable, the warcor is a minor speedbump. An Engineer with that mobility to recover the REMs is much more important.
I thinks so too. So final list is below. Thanks everyone for help! I'll write report from that tournament at the end of September. Smart Corregidor (final) ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 8 1 TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 36) WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23) WILDCAT (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) EVADER (Engineer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, AP Mines ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) DAKTARI Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14) VOSTOK FTO (Mimetism [-6]) Mk12(+1 Dam) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 44) VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 17) BANDIT (Forward Observer) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 23) HELLCAT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 29) GROUP 2 5 JAZZ Hacker & BILLIE undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 24) JAZZ (Hacker) Submachine Gun, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 18) BILLIE Flash Pulse, E/M Mines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army
I have a hard time making a Corregidor list without Jazz, and that makes me want to bring the repeater Morans. I like the idea of all the enemy units entering the midfield walking away Targeted (or worse), and the combo is dirt cheap. Plus, you know, Koalas.
