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Can an engineer repair themselves?

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by WiT?, Apr 8, 2018.

  1. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    Pretty self explanatory question!
     
  2. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Assuming they aren't unconscious or immobilized, sure. Who meets these requirements, though?
     
  3. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    Isolated models mainly.
     
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  4. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yeah, that works. That isn't repairing, though, that's removing a state.
     
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  6. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    well since doctors can heal themselves, engineers can engineer themselves.
     
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  7. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Engineer + servitor, Engineer gets IMM2 due to glue. The engineer can declare move+remove state, and what happens is that the servitor moves, touches the engineer and applies the controller's roll to remove the state, while the engineer executes 2 inactions.
     
  8. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    This must be one of the funnisest interactions xD
     
  9. Recruit-3D

    Recruit-3D Active Member

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    It´s also wrong.
    As stated in immobilized state, you can not declare the short-skill to remove the state.
     
  10. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    It's not wrong (I'm fairly certain that it's been clarified several times). Technically what happens if you fail a 'you're not allowed to declare something' rule is that it becomes an Idle. The core interaction is that it's legal to make invalid declarations.
     
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  11. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Spanish manual, pg 191 (pdf, 190 regular numbering):
    Aquellas tropas que se encuentran en estado Inmovilizado-1
    no puede realizar ninguna Habilidad Corta de Movimiento
    excepto Descubrir.
    » Una tropa en estado Inmovilizado no puede realizar ningún
    Ataque ni ninguna Habilidad Corta excepto Reset, Regene-
    ración, Sensor, o AutoMediKit o aquellas que así lo indiquen
    en su descripción.
    » Las tropas en estado Inmovilizado no pueden realizar
    ninguna Habilidad de Orden Completa.
    » Las Habilidades Especiales Automáticas y el Equipo Automático
    siguen funcionando, pero deben aplicar las restricciones
    antes mencionadas.

    Eng rulebook pg 179 (pdf, 178 for regular numbering):
    Troopers in the Immobilized-1 state cannot declare Short
    Movement Skills other than Discover.
    » Troopers in this state cannot declare Attacks nor any Short
    Skills other than Reset, Regeneration, Sensor, AutoMediKit, or
    those that state so explicitly in their description.
    » Immobilized troopers cannot declare Entire Order Skills.
    » Automatic Special Skills and Automatic Equipment continue
    to work, but the trooper must still respect all declaration
    restrictions.

    I left out the last point, about IMM troops still giving their order to the pool.

    Anyway, as usual, there is a difference between how the spanish and english rulebooks use wording. "Realizar" can be translated as "perform, do, carry out, implement, realize, accomplish, fulfill, execute, achieve, etc...".

    Considering that the game is written in spanish, then translated, despite not being any official posture on a version being "the reference one", and considering the clarification inane.imp has made...
     
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  12. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I am not sure if we thought of this interaction when we checked the wording, I will see if we can get a clarification for that.
     
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  13. Recruit-3D

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    so, what about the resolution? Is it possible?
     
  14. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    In Spanish, yes without a doubt.

    In English, it seems like no.

    And I just remembered that the same happens with Marksmanship-X interacting with saturation zones XD
     
  15. Cartographer

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    How is the engineer skill being performed? The G:Servant doesn't have the skill and it's made quite clear that the specialist is acting "through" the REM while it essentially idles. If the Engineer is immobilised and unable to even declare the skill, let alone carry it out, I don't see how s/he could remove the IMM state.
     
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  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Outside of the rules.

    But again, "he moves his eyes and the tracking systems in his glasses lets him select the right subroutine the Servitor has loaded".
    Like how a Hacker controls an enemy TAG using a Gameboy.

    You can like the answer, you can reject it. As long as Corvus does not give a fully made FAQ, of which they are very reluctant (and fans of "that's for N4"), you are stuck with believing those who bother searching through the rules and discuss it, presenting the options as they are, or looking for excuses to do it your way.
     
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