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Camo and Mines

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Board, Nov 28, 2019.

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    Hi! My friend and I are new so this may be an obvious answer we've missed.

    I've seen in a couple of places that when you lay a mine from a camo state as an aro or normal action that it reveals your trooper.

    However we can only find rules that say you reveal if you do something other than short order movement skill or a skill that requires a dice roll. Obviously laying a mine needs no dice bit remaining in camo seems very strong.

    Can you give us some clarification? Cheers!
     
  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    First cancellation clause. AP Mine skill is a regular Short Order / ARO, and as such not a Short Movement Skill nor the Cautious Movement skill

    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Camouflaged

    Cancellation
    A trooper's Camouflaged state is canceled, and its Marker replaced by its model, whenever:
    • The Camouflaged trooper declares a Skill other than Cautious Movement or a Short Movement Skill that does not require a Roll (except Alert).
    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Mines#Anti-Personnel_Mines

    MINES SHORT SKILL / ARO
    Attack
     
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    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    Quoting of the cancelation clause of Camouflaged (just replaced bullet point by number):
    A trooper's Camouflaged state is canceled, and its Marker replaced by its model, whenever:
    1. The Camouflaged trooper declares a Skill other than Cautious Movement or a Short Movement Skill that does not require a Roll (except Alert).
    2. Following the previous, the Camouflaged trooper declares a Surprise Attack or a Surprise Shot.
    3. The Camouflaged trooper enters base to base contact with a model.
    4. The Camouflaged trooper is successfully Discovered.
    5. The Camouflaged trooper receives a successful hit that forces him to make an ARM/BTS Roll, or a Critical hit, without previous Discovery (by means of an Intuitive Attack, a Template Weapon whose target was a nearby model, etc.)
    6. The Camouflaged trooper becomes Impetuous (due to the Frenzy Characteristic or any other effect) or enters Retreat! state In either case, the trooper's CH Level is downgraded to CH: Mimetism. The trooper recovers his original CH Level when the Retreat! situation is canceled. However, the trooper does not revert to the Camouflaged state. To regain the Camouflaged state, the trooper must follow the Activation rules.
    To lay a mine in ARO or active you use this skill :
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    This skill is an attack so it's a skill "other than Cautious Movement or a Short Movement Skill that does not require a Roll" (point 1 above) so camo is cancelled

    You are confusing "short movement skill that does not require a roll" and "skill that does not require a roll"

    Laying a mine require no roll but it's not a short movement skill
     
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    Thank you both.
     
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