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Cadin fireteams?

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by Gunmage, Dec 4, 2019.

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  1. Gunmage

    Gunmage Well-Known Member

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    So... what does this wording mean? Does that mean that onlly the profile with duo AND haris is fireteam-capable (which would make duo-only profile pointless), or that you can't use Cadin to make a core link of Wulvers (which sucks)?
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Well, i think you still can join full core. Basic profile has duo. Duo Cadin count as a wulver. Wulvers can join wulver fireteam core
     
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    Any wildcard can join him to form a duo. Vet Kazaks and Voronin for example.
     
  5. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    There are a few ways this could be interpreted:

    1) Cadin with the Duo AND Haris skills can count as a Wulver for the purposes of joining ANY Fireteam.

    2) Cadin with the Duo AND Haris skills can count as a Wulver for the purposes of joining a DUO or HARIS Fireteam.

    3) Cadin with the Duo OR Haris skills can count as a Wulver for the purposes of joining ANY Fireteam.

    4) Cadin with the Duo OR Haris skills can count as a Wulver for the purposes of joining a DUO or HARIS Fireteam as long as they have the matching skill.

    My gut instinct is No. 1
     
  6. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    I very much doubt it's #1, by the virtue of default Cadin profile having a Fireteam: Duo.

    If we accept that Cadin has to have both Duo and Haris to count as a Wulver for Fireteam comp, then his 35pts. profile has the first ever instance of completely unusable points tax - Fireteam Duo with nobody to duo with. There is no Fireteam Duo of Cadins in the Fireteam list, so you can't put Wallace with him.

    IMO the correct answer is #3

    EDIT: Rechecked the wording on Wallace Fireteam requirements, and he can't even join a duo with anybody, lol, he's not a wildcard.
     
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    colbrook Black Fryer

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    From a RAW perspective #1 is closest to what's actually written, but your argument is excellent for promoting #3 as RAI.
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Cadin can duo link with the TAK wildcards
     
  9. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    From Fireteam: Duo wiki page:

    In addition to the Fireteam Common Requirements, a Fireteam: Duo has to fulfill the following specific Requirements:
    • A Fireteam: Duo must be composed of a maximum of two troopers.
    • Both members of the Fireteam: Duo must belong to the same unit, or those combinations of units indicated on their Sectorial Army List.
    • One of the members must have the Special Skill Fireteam: Duo.
    There is no Fireteam Duo of Cadins in the list of legal Fireteams on wiki, so a VetKaz cannot join him in a Duo. Cadin himself doesn't have a Wildcard rule, so he can't join a Fireteam: Duo of VetKazs as well.
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    Am I supposed to take your word for it, or do you have some proof?
     
  12. Foxep

    Foxep Tropical Vet
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    Cadin can only do a Duo with a wulver or a haris with 2 wulvers (or some wildcard instead of 1 of the 2 wulvers). Nothing more, as per the faq about fireteams.
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Cadin doesn't appear in any of the fireteam lists in the wiki


    Cant duo in caledonia because wulvers dont have duo, wallace is not a wildcard, and that duo is not listed in the sectorial options
     
  14. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    As per the wording of Cadin's profiles in the CHA armybuilder:

    FirstStrike with Fireteam: Duo and Haris counts as a Wulver for Fireteam composition.

    Due to this he fulfills the requirement of belonging to the same unit (Wulvers), so you have a Duo of two Wulvers - one Cadin, one regular.

    And as per Fireteam: Duo rules, only one member of a Duo has to have this skill.

    EDIT: On the other hand, you're right about there not being a Duo option for Wulvers in the legal Fireteam list. So RAW Cadin can only join a Haris or a Core of Wulvers, and only with the Haris profile.

    That only proves the point of Cadin being the first profile with unusable points tax First strike, first cast, first fail, am I right? =)
     
  15. Tanan

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    So in the case of legal fireteams wiki is the final word, not the Army builder?

    Cadin isn't (yet) listed as special fireteam option in the wiki, so he can't join the Wulver fireteam. Got it.
     
  16. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    He counts as a Wulver in his Haris profile, and there is a Fireteam: Core and Haris of Wulvers in the list, though =)
     
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    Im sure the wiki will be updated with that Duo Option, Corvus Belli is just a bit slow with fixing new profile releases bugs...

    So in the end it would be:
    Duo with a Wulver
    Haris with 2 Wulvers (or 1 wulver and a wildcard)
    Core with other wulvers (and wildcards), as he counts as wulver and can join the fireteam made by any of the other wulvers with the skill.
     
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    In TAK, is the consensus that there will be no fireteams despite his basic profile having Fireteam: Duo?

    I would love to say " I'm duo-ing Cadin 'FirstStrike' Donn units (whatever he counts as) and am replacing one with a Vet wildcard. "

    If so, any chance he will become cheaper in TAK?
     
  19. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    or simply out of TAK.
     
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  20. Kreslack

    Kreslack See you Space Cowboy...

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    I didnt even notice he was added to TAK until tonight. I kept wondering why everyone was talking about him duo-ing with Vets and Veronin.

    I like the idea of him teaming up with vet. Vet moves up with him and sets up in suppression while Cadin charges the rest of the way to go on his rampage.

    Still kinda strange he's in TAK.