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Building lists around the Mongol Cav

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by AngryGorilla, Mar 18, 2021.

  1. AngryGorilla

    AngryGorilla Member

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    Hey guys,

    I'm still new to the White Banner faction, and struggling to write lists to support, and shore up weaknesses for, the Mongol Cav. I love the model, and I want to give it some table time, but I haven't used TAGs much in the past.

    I think I have a pretty good idea of what each of our units does in a vacuum, but I'm having a bit of trouble identifying synergies and less obvious tactics as I build a cohesive list. I'm specifically looking for example lists which include the Mongol, and then a run down of which missions you wrote the list for, a brief tactical breakdown of how you'd use the TAG in that list, and how the other units you've selected will play into your strategy.

    Thanks in advance!
    AG
     
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  2. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Do you prefer Generic Yu Jing army list or White Banner Army?
     
  3. AngryGorilla

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    White Banner. I suppose I should include that in the title. Thanks! :)
     
  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    If it'd been vanilla, I'd have just said "add two Guijia" but since it's White Banner have you tried adding a bunch of vampire doggos (Guilang) with hacking Zhanshi? Biggest weakness is hacking and lack of Stealth, while a Shang-Ji in the Core will help with the extreme range deficiency.
     
  5. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    White Banner
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    ZHANSHI (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    ZHANSHI (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    TIAN GǑU 1st Section Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)
    BLUE WOLF AP Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / DA CC Weapon. (1.5 | 71)
    [​IMG] BLUE WOLF PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 0)
    LÓNG YÁ (Minelayer) Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mines / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17)
    LÓNG YÁ (Minelayer) Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mines / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17)
    PANGGULING (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)
    PANGGULING (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 24)
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 24)
    MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    This is the first thing I came up with but I worry A) it's not playing to WBA strengths/themes; B) No long range sniper or missile; C) No yaozao for the engineer; D) Zhanshi is a terrible LT; E) the blue wolf will probably be spending most of the game watching the Shang Ji doing the hard work. Without using a core link though you might as well play Vanilla.
     
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  6. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    I once played something like this. It was feeling good, although it was ripped apart by a Cutter.

    White Banner
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)
    ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    ZHANSHI (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    BLUE WOLF AP Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / DA CC Weapon. (1.5 | 71)
    [​IMG] BLUE WOLF PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 0)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    LÓNG YÁ (Minelayer) Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mines / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17)
    LÓNG YÁ (Minelayer) Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mines / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17)
    MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    YÁOZĂO PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 5)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  7. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad this came up. I was looking at WB to see how to take advantage of the Duo like the Guijia can in IA.

    Blue Wolf Duo
    1 to 2 Blue Wolf
    0 to 1 Adil Mehmut
    0 to 1 Captain Gao
    0 to 1 Lei Gong
    0 to 1 Shang Ji
    0 to 1 Tian Gou

    There's 2 that I like:
    Shang Ji, with tinbot -6, or the hacker. All of them expensive but effective.

    Tian Gou KHD or Jammer are cheap and can play good tricks. You can disguise them as a Shang Ji. If they try to hack, you can jammer or hack back with KHD.
     
  8. AngryGorilla

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    None of the linkable Tian Gou have Holoprojector, unless I missed something. 1st section only.

     
  9. Someone

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    All of them have holomask.
     
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  10. AngryGorilla

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    So you're saying that I missed something. :) Thanks!

     
  11. Space Ranger

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    Yep. Also I just thought that if you happen to know you are going against a lot of MSV, you can use Lei Gong OR again the TG disguised as him to do a fake-out. Also a good way to get your specialist moved up with the BW.
     
  12. archon

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    Normaly I think about TAG support like this:

    Defend enemy hackers: KHD
    Repair TAG: Eng + Bot
    Buff TAG vs Hacking: EVO or - in this case - duo him with tinbot/khd
    Protect TAG vs. CC: BW can defend himself, but its not wrong when a shaolin runs beside him and provides smoke support (LoF block)
     
  13. Moxie

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    I know this might seem crazy but hear me out. The way cheaper tags around this price range are costed now make me care less about bring a engineer to cover their costs, I prefer spending points to help deliver him into enemy lines so killer hackers help more then engineers for me in lists I want to bring him.

    His been doing amazing for me once I get him up the table. The smaller size is amazing for controlling engagements that S7 sometimes struggle with.

    Him covered by the core of SJ+4+ Zhanshis have been just sickening fire power wise.
     
  14. Space Ranger

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    The AP spitfire is great when you get it into the +3 range.
     
  15. AngryGorilla

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    Hey @Moxie, can I ask for some example lists, and which missions they were geared towards? This is how I envisioned using the TAG.


     
  16. Weathercock

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    If you go the vanilla route, FD Krit would be a great partner for the Blue Wolf (it's a shame that for all the loaner characters WB got, they missed out here). Sure, he's an engineer, and being able to deploy up-field means he's more likely to be in the Wolf's zone of operations, but he's also crazy order efficient and has a lot of things he can tend to in your midfield when he's not fixing your dogbot.
     
  17. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone removed the wolverine claws from their blue wolf? I'd like to see how it looks.
     
  18. Fed4ykin

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    I did. You can find it in the conversionthread or I can post it later in this thread.
    When the wolf arrived at my place the blades were bent and malformed. But in all honesty I planned to get rid of the claws before that.
    Now he wields ann Guan Dao.
     
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  19. Fed4ykin

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    Here.
     
  20. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for sharing!
     
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