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Building a list around the Anathematic - help?

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Alpharius, Apr 12, 2020.

  1. Alpharius

    Alpharius Member

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    The Combined Army has changed a lot since I picked up the Anathematic model years ago...

    There are a lot of choices in the vanilla CA now, and I'm at a loss on where to start in building a force around my favorite CA model.

    Any and all help will be greatly appreciated - thanks!
     
  2. Doppelgganger

    Doppelgganger Well-Known Member

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    Well, anathematic has no great combo tricks like charontid or avatar, ita just a good specialist and good shoot plataform. The general list to anathematic its oriented to accomplishes missions and field protection.


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    Combined Army──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    ANATHEMATIC Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 88)
    ARMAND (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / 2 Breaker Pistols, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (1.5 | 42)
    MALIGNOS Hacker (EI Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, Dazer, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)
    CALIBAN Engineer Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    SHROUDED (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Dazer / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    SHROUDED (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Dazer / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    SEED-SOLDIER Combi Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    5 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
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  3. Alpharius

    Alpharius Member

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    An interesting list - thank you for sharing it!

    If I wanted to keep it 'pure' CA, what would you suggest replacing the mercs with?
     
  4. Doppelgganger

    Doppelgganger Well-Known Member

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    Maybe some like this

    B──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]10
    ANATHEMATIC Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 88)
    MALIGNOS Hacker (EI Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, Dazer, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)
    CALIBAN Engineer Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    SHROUDED (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Dazer / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    SHROUDED (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Dazer / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    SEED-SOLDIER Combi Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    KURGAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    VICTOR MESSER (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, 2 Nanopulser, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 28) 3 SWC | 299 PointsOpen in Infinity Army

    Main idea of list its to control battlefield with dazers. With Victor inclusion you may buff Q-drone to use aggressively, with kurgat w/ slaves may maintain it in action
     
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  5. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    I'm worried that second list is a little light on weapons with greater-than-rifle range bands. I like to pair an Anathematic hacker with a long range heavy hitter so that I can cover its advance up the field.

    I threw this list together in a couple of minutes; in addition to the Anathematic and Q-Drone, I've added a Sogarat HMG and a Noctifer Spitfire, one of my all-time favorite troubleshooter models. While I don't include any additional "plain" hacking devices to buff the Q-Drone, you can still use the Anathematic for that if necessary. I would deploy all of the TO models as markers in order to maximize orders on the table, holding only the Cadmus in reserve.

    Combined Army
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    ANATHEMATIC Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 88)
    SOGARAT AP HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 56)
    NOCTIFER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    CADMUS-SOLDIER Hacker (EI Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 24)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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  6. Alpharius

    Alpharius Member

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    I like that list!

    I've been out of the Infinity game for a while though - does that list have enough models that can complete objectives?
     
  7. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    Depends on the mission and various other factors. I’m not a top tier player by any stretch, but I still play 10 order lists for things. Having more orders than the opponent is definitely easier to play, but if you have high quality models guarding key positions you can frequently make the opponent really pay for every inch of progress.
     
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  8. Alpharius

    Alpharius Member

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    I can definitely appreciate that, but I'm also curious, are the ITS missions not 'specialist dependent' anymore?
     
  9. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    Depends on the mission, some require them, some don't, and some penalise you for taking too many.
     
  10. Alpharius

    Alpharius Member

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    I see I've got a lot of catch up mission reading to do...
     
  11. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Yeah, the ITS missions have evolved to the point where the old thing about you needing specialists to win is not always true. I've been having a hard time fitting the Anathematic into my lists recently because he's kinda underwhelming for his cost (Yeah, a real shame), especially when compared to a beefy and cheap beatstick like Sheskiin or a fire superiority piece like the Charontid (which I've been using a lot more).

    However, I did use an anathematic sucessfully in a recent mission. It was Countermeasures. The list was like this:

    Combined Army
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    ANATHEMATIC Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 88)
    CADMUS-SOLDIER Hacker (EI Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 24)
    Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    ZERAT Red Fury, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    NOX (Infinity Spec-Ops) (12 XP) (WIP:14, Doctor, Engineer, EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Zapper / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    SHROUDED (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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    Managed to eke out a very, very close victory (something like 5v4) vs nomads. Annie can pull a lot of weight, but she can also get shut down hard, and at 88 points without a big gun or infiltration, I really feel like I could have done better with a different pick.
     
  12. Alpharius

    Alpharius Member

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    Appreciate the list, and the commentary!

    It is a bit of a bummer that the Anathematic is so hard to get into an effective list.

    I like the redesigned Charontid, but it still doesn't hold the charm and appeal of the Anathematic.

    I'll find a way to make it work though - and at least I'll have fun trying!
     
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  13. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Something like this is my personal favourite Anathematic list. If you wanted to be more of a normal human being you could exchange the sepsitor Anathametic for a lieutenant hacker, which would also let you cut Messer for a Q-Drone and then tinker with points to fit an engineer, but this one has the ultimate surprise play of a TO Camo sepsitor. Also, and this is admittedly a super big brain time play, you can cheat your way to a Mnemonica lieutenant by having the Anathametic attack first, die and jump into Sheshkiin.

    You can also exchange all four of the gribblies for just three taighas with DA CCWs, which may be more appealing in some situations.

    Beauty and the Beast
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    ANATHEMATIC Sepsitor, Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 88)
    SHESKIIN Lieutenant Red Fury, Pulzar, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 54)
    VICTOR MESSER (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, 2 Nanopulser, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 28)
    ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]5 [​IMG]4
    ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    NOCTIFER Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  14. FlipOwl

    FlipOwl Well-Known Member

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    I think the Anathematic is an incredible piece, when used correctly.

    Below is a list that is really fun to play, but only vs armies with cubes. Like any low order count list it is quite fragile, but can manage to claw its way back after losing a couple of models. I usually risk the Avatar for maximum damage, and use Mnemonica to stay out of LoL.

    The Anathematic should ideally be out of camo when it engages (my opponent must have thought I was mad when I shouted ”Yeah!” when he made his discover) so the opponent can’t delay.
    This enables you to go ”Hello! I am representative of Evolved Intelligence. Do you want to be my friend?” If they dodge, you shoot them with plasma. If they shoot, you sepsitor. That is probably the worst choice to force someone to make in the game...


    Combined Army──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]10 [​IMG]1 AVATAR Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Sepsitor Plus / DA CCW. (3.5 | 137) [​IMG] STALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0) ANATHEMATIC Sepsitor, Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 88) Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14) R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) ÍMETRON . (0 | 4) ÍMETRON . (0 | 4) 6 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
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    toadchild Premeasure

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    @FlipOwl get bonus points for putting the Anathematic and Avatar in the same list :-)
     
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  16. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Fuuuuck I want to try that a little bit.
     
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    FlipOwl Well-Known Member

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    That is exactly what I thought when I first came up with the list. Some things are just worth playing, no matter if they are top-tier competitive or not!
     
  18. Alpharius

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    Very nice list - thanks for sharing it!

    And is Group 2 all about the Noctifier shooting things?

    Some here won't agree, but not me! :)

    And yeah, The Avatar and an Anathematic in the same list...?!? Wow!
     
  19. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Not really, actually. I like to play combined army with a warband screen to probe defences and ferret out skirmishers. Punching deep with an Anathematic or Sheshkiin is much easier with a whole lot of 6-6 move disposable elements testing enemy camo markers and cleaning out koalas and madtraps.

    The noctifier will sometimes take shots but it's more important to keep it in place to stall out powerful alphas on your deployment zone. With so many points in a couple models the list is fragile to a really sharp rap especially if they go straight for Sheshkiin's throat before you've had time to bottle her up with protheion wounds.

    Of course if you do see a tasty shot with the noctifier in active, nothing wrong with taking it.
     
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  20. FlipOwl

    FlipOwl Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I know that some people won't agree, but I often find that I get better at what I do by trying out new toolsets. Playing 10 orders improves my resource management much more than playing 20 orders, so that I get better at playing 20 by playing 10 every once in a while.
     
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