With White Banner being released, I'd like to see what ppl come up with, so feel free to post your armylists here :) PS: Yu Jing Number 1!
The White Banner Army ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 GŬILÁNG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) DÀOFĚI Lieutenant Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 55) HÙNDÙN (Multispectral Visor L1) Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31) HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26) TIAN GǑU (2st Section) Hacker (Killer Hacking Device, Holoprojector L2) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, MadTraps / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Heavy Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Heavy Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25) 5.5 SWC | 298 Points Open in Infinity Army Time to use all camo markers
The White Banner Army ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) JUJAK Engineer Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 36) JUJAK Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 39) JUJAK Engineer Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 36) JUJAK Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 39) GROUP 2 5 5 SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 3.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army The White Banner Army ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) JUJAK Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 39) TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23) JUJAK Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 39) JUJAK Engineer Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 36) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) GROUP 2 1 5 5 ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 4 SWC | 298 Points Open in Infinity Army Second List with less obvious Lt, but also less resilient button pusher
I think he's duo-ing them? I don't think you need shang ji to duo. Looks like both lists have 2 Jujak duos and no more fireteams. Wish we had the proper fireteam tables to look at. @Koni are we getting a pdf with the fireteams later today?
Aldo is right. It is supposed to be 2 Jujak duos. No bigger links in there. This is definetly experimental.
The White Banner Army ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) LÉI GŌNG (Chain of Command) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32) QIANG GĀO HMG, Nanopulser / 2 x Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 43) SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 42) TIAN GǑU (2st Section) Hacker (Killer Hacking Device, Holoprojector L2) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, MadTraps / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) PANGGULING (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) GROUP 2 4 1 1 PANGGULING Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 4 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Full-core-linked Jammers are utterly broken. You can wait until after someone declares their second skill to declare your ARO, so they can't Reset against you. That's a free Jammer shot (not sure if they got FAQ'ed to not be B2 and WIP +3 as well, but I hope so). Worse, the guy has Holo 1 so you can hide him, making picking him off with Spec Fire, AD troops, or Warbands on an assassination run a lot harder. Not including a Tian Gou Jammer in your core links gives up that chance to use the most broken thing in the game. I hope this gets nerfed. Maybe if we exploit the crap out of it someone at CB will see this and fix it.
They are a souped-up Haqq spec ops at AVA 3 N3 Frequently Asked Question FAQ Version: 1.8, Oct 2019 Q: Do Jammers benefit from Fireteam bonuses? A: Yes. Related Pages: Fireteam Bonuses, Jammer
So it's as bad as possible then. WIP 16 B2 Jammer attack in ARO that you can't even Reset against. Jesus, that's game-breaking.
Here's a list that would be deeply annoying to face in any button-pushing mission. Not gonna get anywhere near this ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 25) LÉI GŌNG Shock Marksman Rifle, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34) ZHANSHI Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 15) ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) GROUP 2 5 3 3 HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) PANGGULING Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) PANGGULING (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 3.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army Link closes in and Jammers anything that gets close, defended by mines as well. Against opposing defenses it closes in and Spec Fires, and can use the Jammer to dig out mines, etc. Lei Gong goes after MSV snipers etc. For most other things there's a Rui Shi with smoke trick. The Shaolin throw themselves at the opponent warband-style under smoke cover. Starts off in ARO with B2 shots from the Chayi and the new Panzerfaust-bots thanks to the EVO. Going second would be nice for this list, you could also add more Minelayers to make it even worse.
My first take on WB. As always, listbuilding would highly depend on enemys and missions played. WB1 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 DÀOFĚI Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 55) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) ZHANSHI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 19) TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23) ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) GROUP 2 4 3 2 LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Heavy Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25) HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26) PANGGULING Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25) MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Well, that's a good design choice! Still, I really really like the look of those bots. At 20 points 0 SWC for such an excellent DZ guard, I am -definitely- going to be running one in every list I can fit them into.
I was thinking of something along these lines (but there are lots of good things I couldn't include like Ye Mao, Long Ya, and Blue Wolves): The White Banner Army ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 1 DÀOFĚI Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 53) ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) ZHANSHI Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 16) ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) LÉI GŌNG (Chain of Command) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) GROUP 2 2 2 2 GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) TIGER SOLDIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army Daofei, Guilang minelayer, and Rui Shi + monk smoke does most of the heavy lifting under watchful eye of Hundun and Zhanshis. Tiger goes to group 1 when monk goes down. Lei Gong allows pretty aggressive use of Daofei. Don't have SWC for Daofei spitfire, but at close range, MULTI rifle is also pretty good. All specialist types except engineer (wish I could get that Ye Mao one in there but no room!). Only MSV2 being the Rui Shi is a killer; I would've liked to do something else but he is too big of a crutch for me (and I suspect many others). I think this is the fireteam summary as I understand it: units Zhanshi: Core Tian Gou (1st Section): Wildcard (1) Ye Mao: Haris Jujak: Duo; can join any Shang Ji fireteam Shang Ji: Duo, Haris, Core, Wildcard (1) Blue Wolves: Duo Monk: Duo with Jing Qo (1) characters Adil Memut: Wildcard (1) Jing Qo: Duo with Monk (1) Lei Gong: Wildcard (1) Qiang Gao: Wildcard (1) Liang Kai: counts as monk (1) (i.e., duo with Jing Qo)
AVA 2 minelayer Long Ya and Jammer Tian Gou changes A LOT of thing for vanilla. White banner isn't exactly replete with cheap regular orders, and it's not that easy to reach 14/15 regular orders without making some major compromise, or straight up spam remotes, but vanilla doesn't have that issue. I'm not sure how AVA4 guilangs and fireteams compare VS kuang-shi and daoying hacker to complement a rui-shi/monks/daofei spit/2xguilang FO core. Anyway, that's what I have ATM: The White Banner Army ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 DÀOFĚI Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 55) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) ZHANSHI Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 16) ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) GROUP 2 4 2 2 GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Let the meme lists begin! Camoed Camo Hunters ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26) HÙNDÙN (Multispectral Visor L1) Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31) HÙNDÙN (Multispectral Visor L1) Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) LÉI GŌNG (Chain of Command) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32) ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) GROUP 2 1 5 5 ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army
Now this isn't exactly a pair ( This detail is very important. ) of WBA lists, they're Vanilla, but it's more so a highly-impractical-yet-delightfully-stupid idea I had for some of the new units we got with them. And I'll be posting the courtesy lists as well, since those are also important here. Spoiler: List A List A ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23) JUJAK Engineer Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 36) TIAN GǑU (2st Section) (Holoprojector L2) Red Fury, MadTraps / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 29) DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) HAC TAO HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 68) LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21) ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, D.E.P., Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34) 3.5 SWC | 296 Points Open in Infinity Army Spoiler: List B List B ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) LÓNG YÁ 2 Panzerfaust, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (0 | 20) WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29) KǍNRÈN Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, MadTraps / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 28) TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) DÀOFĚI Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 55) LIÚ XĪNG Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 39) TAI SHENG (Chain of Command) Mk12, Chain-colt, Stun Grenades / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 49) 5.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army The entire idea is to essentially have two armies that, once deployed, look identical but are in actuality a bit different. It's a stupid gimmick, but I love Holoprojectors and stupid gimmicks, dammit!
