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Balacing units

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Sharrankar, Aug 6, 2022.

  1. anubis

    anubis sarcastic exaggerator

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    One thing shouldn´t be the reason for the other. Some people just like playing a nice army for playing them and dont care if it´s "harder" to win with them. People whose fun is not connected to winning, but playing. Something I for myself learned over the course of many years.
     
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  2. Space Ranger

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    Skiavoro is the forgotten troop. He need something to make him worth taking or nerf him and cheaper. Not sure what. Agree about Lt. Hacker. But still hard to justify when for few pts more you can get a Charontid.
     
  3. Diphoration

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    Give him Remote Presence,+2 inches on Second MOV value, 0.5 SWC less and 17 points cheaper.

    So he can be the embodiement of CA's nerfs. The more they get nerfed, the stronger he gets!
     
  4. Hecaton

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    Your statement doesn't seem to make much sense. Why would a more balanced game hurt your fun?
     
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  5. anubis

    anubis sarcastic exaggerator

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    Sorry, maybe I was missunderstood or did not explain me right:

    I dont think "The army is the better one/more overpowered one" should be the reason why someone plays them, but more like "I like the flair/fluff/modells/design/playstyle of the army, thats why I like playing them.
    "Winning" should not be the indicator for fun. But I understand everyone saying "I always lose, cause the other armies have the objectivly better units, and that is not fun"

    An utopic situation would be all units in perfect balance (like all things should be), but i doubt that´s an achiveable thing. Also, slight imbalance is sometimes healthy for a set meta
     
    #65 anubis, Sep 22, 2022 at 9:49 AM
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  6. TheDiceAbide

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    Because if it was balanced, I won't win!
     
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  7. Hecaton

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    No disrespect meant to you in particular, but I'm getting really tired of the "imbalance is good" idea. I think too many people watched that one Extra Credits video and took it as gospel.
     
  8. anubis

    anubis sarcastic exaggerator

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    @Hecaton
    I dont know which gospel you are referring to, but maybe I lack the verbal eloquence to clearly explain what i mean. I try again:

    I am NOT a fan of imbalance per se. No one wants an achilles profile for the pointcost of a line infanterie (clearly imbalanced, can we agree on that?). Also, some armies are bloated with options and lacking true weaknesses, whilest others underpreform (either cause of costs or lack of options/synergies). Or the prayer-wheel rechanted non-interaction-gameplay.

    I referr to little shifts in balance to support the usage of units rarely seeing the table. Stuff what happens every season with ITS. ForwardDeployment for MI. Buffs for bikes. Orders and Marksman for some drones (unfortunatly for everyone, nomads are the big winner here *again*)
     
    #68 anubis, Sep 23, 2022 at 7:07 AM
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  9. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    I think that's mixing 'Asymmetry' with 'Imbalance'

    Imbalance is BAD. Fullcaps, no stop. If a strategy or build dominates, it should be nerfed or changed to keep it balanced.

    Asymmetry is good. Not all armies should have all options, not all armies should be able to play the same strategies. But this should be balanced. Having an army be bad at something must be compensated by making it great at something else. EG: NuMorats. They're really good at projecting force and have great link synergy, but they're expensive and have middling statlines.

    The 'problem' comes up when you have an army which can do anything and do it well. Most Vanilla armies are like this, they can do everything and they're better at doing stuff than most sectorials. So yeah, nerfing vanilla armies (in general) might be a good idea.
     
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  10. Fed4ykin

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    I for myself wish for a whole lot more sectorialspecific troopers and profiles like what they did with the gwailos. You simply can't play them outside of shas. Very strict AVA for some troopers, and simply missing loadouts could Do a LOT For sectorials and balance!
     
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