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Bakunin

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by BlazyCrane, Feb 18, 2020.

  1. BlazyCrane

    BlazyCrane Active Member

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    So I swore I would never allow it to happen but Nomads has sucked me in. And Tunguska and Bakunin have got me the worst. Do you all think this is a good starting list to explore Bakunin or am I missing too much from the Reverend's? I don't own any bakunin yet but it will help me plan my purchases.


    First List
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    TASKMASTER HMG / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 49)
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    RIOT GRRL (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4
    SIN-EATER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
    ZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    ZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)

    6 SWC | 297 Points

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  2. Keyrott

    Keyrott Nomad Handyman

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    Those 3 hanging points are crying to get turned into a Warcor for flash pulse duty ;)
     
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  3. Lucian

    Lucian Well-Known Member

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    Sin-Eater multi-sniper is so-so, 2 dice in aro will usually get overwhelmed by bigger burst. You want to fully exploit neurocinetics, you need more dakka, you should consider taking spitfire instead.
    Those 5 moderators don't benefit from fireteam at all. I'd swap one for a spitfire or MSR aro. With spitfire you can try some suicide runs on turn 3. They have 'meh' BS, but at least It will be 5 dice.
    HMG Taskmaster is a bit lacking compared to red fury. He's got a lot of tools on him. And for HMG shootouts Moira will probably be better thanks to her odd.
    List-wise - I'd probably shuffle troops a bit for 7 - 6, an attacking piece and 2 morlocks in each group. When enough of them dies merge groups together.
     
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  4. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    MSR sineater is the best option in some metas.
     
  5. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    That TM wants his HRL real bad.
     
  6. herod1204

    herod1204 Knight of Santiago

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    Very quickly looking at it (so points won't add up necessarily...), I am a big believer in a moderator fiteteam with msr, and a sineater with a spitfire. The sineater holds an area that you just don't want your opponent in, as it takes a lot of time and effort to down one. It's an area control piece, not a killer. A msr in a moderator link is more than enough to threaten warbands, or cover a long firelane cheaply.

    Personally I always use em morlocks, but that's a matter of taste.

    I would personally swap the taskmaster for the red fury version, which gives you koalas and a DTW.

    I would change the specialist riot grrl to a boarding shotgun, but that's a matter of taste.

    Give your daktari a zond bot. One can then heal the grrls if needed, the other the sineater.

    The list will struggle against linked msv 2 snipers in link teams, but frankly so does everybody. A zero with a boarding shotgun is a surprisingly good solution to them though.

    Personally, I would recommend as core purchases for Bakunin (I assume you have the remotes already)

    Morlocks box
    Bakunin starter
    Zeroes blister.
    Moderators box.
    Reverend healer blister
    Rev custodier blister (those two enable you to do the kusangi Harris, using the Moira from the starter as kusangi).

    From there grab zeros, Uberfall kommdana, Zoe and pi well, etc.

    Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
     
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  7. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Honestly at that point an unlinked Moira MSR is probably a better choice.
     
  8. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Or Armand, he can tank a hit and has a visor.
     
  9. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Jurisdictional Command of Bakunin──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1 RIOT GRRL (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30) RIOT GRRL (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30) RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34) MODERATOR MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 17) MODERATOR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) BAKUNIN ÜBERFALLKOMMANDO undefined. (0 | 24) [​IMG] CHIMERA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Viral CCW. (0 | 21) [​IMG] x3 PUPNIK DA CCW. (0 | 3)GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5 [​IMG]5 SIN-EATER Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 31) DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6) MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6) MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0 | 6) MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0 | 6) MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8) ZERO (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) ZERO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21) 6 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army

    DA Morlocks are because Armoury. Smacking the door open is always useful.
     
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  10. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    You can't get Armand in Bakunin. And he costs a whole CRAP 'lock more. ;)
     
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  11. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    I'm not willing to run any numbers, but Sin Eater is a lot better against enemy MSV2 and warbands.
     
  12. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    This is a good start to a list, very close to where you need to be. Here's my version, with very minimal changes:

    First List
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    REVEREND MOIRA HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    MODERATOR Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 11)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    RIOT GRRL (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    RIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 33)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4
    TASKMASTER Lieutenant Red Fury, Pulzar, CrazyKoalas + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 53)
    ZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    ZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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    To answer some points in the thread:

    • Red Fury Taskmaster is the best profile. It is totally worth it to pay for all the extra gear. Koalas on a unit that is not a piece of shit is amazing.
    • Sin Eater MSR often disappoints. Every once in a while you'll get a table where he can drop as a reserve and dominate, but in 2020 it's really rare.
    • It's OK to run moderators with no special weapons because they suck no matter what they're packing. If you give them anything, make it the MSR.
    • Missile Launcher / Combi / BSG is a good Haris. I don't like Riot Grrl Haris, but that team comp is serviceable.
     
  13. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Vs MSV2 and Warbands a Sin-Eater MSR is very similar in performance to a Core-linked Mod MSR. The real difference is Shock Immunity and SSL2 vs ARM3.
     
  14. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    Yeah, the Moderator is honestly a better choice, since he's half the cost and usable in the active turn. Sin Eater has more raw power, but folks will come out of the woodwork to dunk on him. It's uncanny
     
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  15. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Derp, forgot about the specific BJC part, mind went straight to vanilla.
     
  16. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Sin Eater is better against anything without MSV ;)
     
  17. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Re: solo Moira HMG. @helsbecter How do you find it goes in the current meta? I ran it early on in playing Infinity and keep meaning to revisit it.

    Re: Riot Grrls. I gotta disagree with Helsbecter. I love them as an aggressive Haris. Stun Grenades and Hyperdynamics make them terrors in close. If you need the specialists Spitfire / Haris / Spec Ops goes well but if you don't then Spitfire / Haris / BSG. They're great for any mission you need to advance survivable points up the board.

    Re: Sin-Eaters. So Sin-Eaters live and die on crits. It's quite easy for opponent's to put them in a position where their only / only realistic odds of winning the FTF is to crit. Now you try to make this as expensive as possible to set up with cany positioning, but ultimately you often end up on relying on the ~18% odds of a crit. But to really benefit from this 'if in doubt pray for 1s' last line of defence, you really need B4.
     
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  18. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Moira MSR is generally better against not MSV since you can leverage it in active. In Reactive it's <5% worse off than the Sin Eater vs common threats. While the Moira does better vs Spec Fire and on Discovers.

    The point though is that you can easily split these two functions into two different weapons: MSR Moderator and Spitfire Sin-Eater. This still leaves you with plenty of SWC for aggressive options.

    There's basically no reason to ever take a MSR Sin Eater given the other options in BJC. [​IMG][​IMG]

    Edit: MB HMG is core-linked. This BTW is vs the HMG, which is decent odds if stalling a brute force approach.
    [​IMG]
     
  19. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    She performs pretty well. 3 ARM and ODD plus a G:Servant is enough to grind down non-template AROs and most folks won't take the time to gank a single Moira in suppression.

    The only reason I don't like the Riot Grrl Haris is because they're so amazingly efficient I always take five. Normally I wouldn't be caught dead running expensive boarding shotgun profiles but the Grrls are an exception. Those shotguns have won me a lot of games.
     
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  20. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Every time I suggest a strength of the Sin Eater you change which unit you compare it to, doesn't feel very fair to have to outperform other Sin Eaters, Moira and a fully linked Moderator against every target. Better range than HMG, better against MSV2 and WB than Moira, better against non MSV than Mod.
    But I will concede.
     
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