Has anyone had any luck with the "Hassasin Bahram" or pure (Bahram) fire teams. With the exception of a fun lists with Bokhtars & Lasiqs I can't seam to find a reason to use them. I was specifically trying to make a decent list with a pure (Bahram) {Govad, Muyibs, Leila & Yasbir}, and every list can easily be improved by using a mixed "Ghulam" list. I can see the mixed "Hassassin Bahram" fire team has access to the following, but IMO they all aren't really worth the trade up. Hacker with veteran - but sacrifice Pitchers Engineer - better solo with Nasmats if you need to repair, otherwise low value specialist. MSV ML - Only really worth taking if you expect to go against Mimitism TAG. The MSV combat profiles usually can be replaced with Yara. Boktar superjump on a 5 man core sounds fun (stealing from RTF), but Asawira spitfire has better BS & DAM. Additionally the Ghulam core would have more TA & NCO orders for less points. Smoke & MSV: Better and cheaper in Ghulam core. Defensively I can see a mix of Lasiqs & Govad Snipers working, but I doubt I would ever take more than a Haris of these. Normally I would use a starter box grunts for this role, but the "ghulam" core is probably going offensive in HB. Has anyone seen something I missed? Is there scenario where the the (Bahram) fireteams. Note: If a word is in ( ) then I mean models that count as troopers and make up a pure fire team. If a word is in " " then I mean fireteam and can be mixed troops.
I would say it depends on what else you want to take. TacAware + 13BS on the Muyibs can put in work when you add pure link bonuses. That means in good range and giving the opponent cover you are hitting on 16's with B5 Spitfire or B3 HRL. A solid murder option. If you plan to have solo pieces as your primary striking force then yea, the link matters less. If you want a solid link to push the midfield then we that option exists.
I like the idea of a variable link, maybe won't get the sacred +3 BS bonus, but you can get a few muyibs with tac aware and number 2 (perhaps doctor + spitfire) a govad hacker and a lasiq with viral marksman rifle moving up the midfield with a response to most things... I like the options provided, if only the barid could join the link it would be great.
Since 4 Muyibs can wildcard into a Ghulam link, the only reason to do a mixed Bahram link would be to add Govad, Lasiq, and/or Bokhtar. Govads are pretty useless. I guess if you want a B4 Lasiq viral MMR for ultimate destructive power? Or a B5 Bohtar Red Fury? Neither is a crazy idea, in a haris you're not paying tooo many points for your support troops to be Muyibs instead of Ghulams. This seems plausible: Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 3 3 BOKHTAR FTO (Tactical Awareness) Red Fury / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 50) MUYIB (Tactical Awareness, X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 25) MUYIB (Tactical Awareness, X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 25) 4.5 SWC | 100 Points Open in Infinity Army The two HRLs may be excessive but I'm going for maximum orders, Invincible Army style.
If its about how many extra orders yiu can get how about something like this? gZIQaGFzc2Fzc2luLWJhaHJhbQCBLAEBBQGBRwELAAKBRwEFAAOBRwEHAASBRwEGAAWGNQEBAA== Probably just for lulz and you will need a CoC Farzan as backup. Sorry don't know how to link list from army builder
For @nintendofilo Hassassin Bahram ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 5 3 MUYIB (Lieutenant) Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 24) MUYIB (Tactical Awareness, X Visor) Spitfire, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34) MUYIB (Doctor [+3]) Rifle, Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) MUYIB (Tactical Awareness, X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 25) BOKHTAR FTO (Tactical Awareness) Red Fury / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 50) 5.5 SWC | 160 Points Open in Infinity Army Has anyone tried 4 man pure cores?
Considering it's always going to be a mixed fireteam, I'd probably use @QueensGambit Haris instead of a 5 man core for anything with a Boktar. I don't think it's worth 50 points extra to get a +1 BS. Even then an asawira lead Haris is better stat wise, it's just the super jump option that makes it something that might be played for fun.
You hit it right on the nose. Govads are not desirable troops at this time. Muyibs lost their non-SWC LT option so a five man team is SWC prohibitive. Three man Muyib teams can just join with Ghulams. I rather mix Ghulams with Muyibs. Lasqis is the only three man team I would want to field. They can post in a crows nest and snipe or get sweaty and run down a flank with MMRs.
I will lightly push back on Govads. I think that the Govad HMG is fine and gives a burst 5 option with MSV 1. With the changes to fireteams, I feel like that is usable. Just stick her in a long range support haris. MSV is also nice to have as Minetism is pretty common these days. Edit: Note, I am just suggesting a single Govad to be added to a support Haris as a long range attack piece.
Before the "new fireteam" from Blacwind I was playing myself this one: ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 5 2 GOVAD Heavy Machine Gun / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 29) MUYIB (Tactical Awareness, X Visor) Spitfire, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34) MUYIB (Tactical Awareness, X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 25) YARA HADDAD (Lieutenant, Strategic Deployment) AP Marksman Rifle / Heavy Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 28) LEILA SHARIF (Hacker) Shock Marksman Rifle, E/M Mines, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20) 4.5 SWC | 136 Points Open in Infinity Army Right now I don't know why I will wish to change Yara for a "govad" to make it "pure", if I'm honest, with the lasiq armed with Marksman viral rifle the "slot used for the hmg govad" is in danger. The full bonuses aren't enought to put the govads there.
Yeah, a pure Bahram fireteam seems totally pointless. I didn't think the OP was even asking about those so much as the mixed Bahram, which even that one seems of limited use given that Muyibs can join a mixed Ghulam team. For a while I had a Looting and Sabotaging list theorycrafted that had a 4-Muyib core. The idea was to get a vast order pool from multiple Tac Awareness, and with all of them Dogged and all carrying D-Charges, just ram the whole team up the board, taking casualties from AROs on the way, and arrive with still enough left to stick a bunch of D-charges on the target. But, it's less viable now that the target gets a CC defense which makes using CC to get the gang-up burst bonus a lot less appealing. Also, there's less reason for it now that we have McMurrough. And I never actually tried it because nobody plays Looting and Sabotaging anyway. But even that ultra-specialized core wouldn't have been a Bahram core, since its fifth member was the Ghulam NCO for another extra order and smoke.
I'm looking at the govad hacker as part of a fireteam and I thought he was good, a hacker that can't be isolated, boarding shotgun in case he can't hack things and breaker pistols. Seems to tick some boxes as a fireteam specialist. But I am only now starting with infinity after being away for more than 5 years so now I'm not sure
Try it! The great thing about Infinity that there are rarely unplayable profiles. And a hacker that can't be hurt by Oblivion can't be that bad. People find different things that work for their specific play style. And that unit is cheaper than the Druze KHD I like to sometimes use in Vanilla.
I think a duo of Bokhtars would be cool backed up by a haris or core of Lasiqs. Viral everything. lol
If we were forced to find a slot for some govad, beyond the hmg or the hacker, thinking on the "new engineer profile", if we are going to play Highly Classified or Contrameasures", it is an interesting profile, because it can do a big chunck of objetives, visor, IM, D-Charges, etc.
I'm looking over the classified list, and for 2 points more you can get Fiddlers cheapest profile. They have a lot of classified overlap (4 from ENG + D-charges), The Govad ENG gives you +2 (MI & MSV), while Fiddler gives a +3 (Characters are veteran classification). Considering how few models HB has the are Verteran or Elite, I'd grab fiddler for instead just for the mobility if you are looking at solo pieces.. From a Classified perspective the following (Bahram) Haris covers everything. I think I found a real use for the (Barham) fire team. It also helps sell the Bokhtar. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 3 1 GOVAD (Engineer, BS Attack [AP]) Rifle, Light Shotgun, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) GOVAD (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26) BOKHTAR FTO (Paramedic, Tactical Awareness) Viral Rifle, Light Shotgun, D-Charges ( | MediKit) / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 50) 0.5 SWC | 102 Points Open in Infinity Army
