My Beutifull, Courageos and very tactical knight have managed to get behind his enemy. He wants to strike It in the close combat. Knight goes to base contact from the back of the enemy miniature. How does the enemy react?
Depends on whether or not you can/are using Stealth, if you can and you are, then the enemy doesn't get an ARO due to your Move. However, in most cases it's either going to be Dodge or CC Attack, though REMs will most likely use Electric Pulse.
From the original post, I understand the knight is performing move (reaching base to base) then CC attack ? Then ARO is like this : Action 1 : knight move, reaching base to base ARO : the enemy trooper get LoF on your knight (due always having LoF on your ennemy once engaged) he can perform the ARO CC attack or Dodge (choice depending on your opponent CC/PH stats and REM/TAG/bike status + Skills) Action 2 : knight CC attack Resolutation : face to face roll In infinity there is no true "backstabbing" where you hit your opponent in CC without ARO, unless you inflict enough malus to reduce his stat to 0. This doable but not by a knight, you need some camo/impersonation.
Counterquestion, if possible. Knight (called A) start his move outside LoF of the defender (B). But suddenly he become visible (since he is approaching and aybe moving over the corne of the building that was concealing from A at his activaton) can B declare a BS attack as his ARO? Can B declare ARO if A was inside is Control Area (and not having Stealth) with a weapon that have the Speculative Attack trait?
1. If at any point during A's movement prior to reaching CC, B gains LOF, then B can ARO with a BS Attack to that point. 2. No. Speculative Fire is an Entire Order Skill and can not be used in ARO.
Thanks, further more. If A declare CC after that Aro CC from A and BS from B are both plain roll (not face to face) right? If A fall in a null state the he will not continue the acion with CC. But if A survive shoul he make a Guts rolls or not (since it's engaged in CC).
As the actions of an order are resolved simultaneously and the route of movement has to be declared as part of making a movement order; if A ever comes into LOF of B before reaching base contact then B can ARO with a BS attack, if A only ever comes into LOF when he has reached base contact, then B can only ARO with dodge or a CC attack. It becomes interesting when you are using a silenced CC weapon (such as a knife) and A has stealth and you can get into base contact without entering LOF and then kill B, because you remain silent and other models within 8" (control area) can't be warned and can't change facing as an ARO.
If A gets into base to base combat and receives BS attack ARO from B and then declares a CC attack, it is a face to face roll between A CC and B BS all applicable modifiers included
It is a face to face roll and the bs can be modified by cc skills. I play jsa and this is a common tactic I employ. BS of pano still gives them the best chance to take out cc monster attacks. So pano BS 18 faces Shinobu- Shinobu gives them a negative 6 cause of martial arts 5 so her cc 25 vs pano modified 12.
Not really. The shot will be at the point that is most advantageous for the shooter, while since both happens in the same order and due to both the Face to Face rule as well as All At Once rule, it will be a Face to Face roll. Imagine for a second A to be Morat Renegade (R) who has rolled increased mobility (6-4 MOV) and Super-Jump on the Metachemistry table. http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Order_Expenditure_Sequence Step 3: MR declares Assault (thanks to Berserk Skill) targeting a Celestial Guard (CG) with a Spitfire. MR player measure their movement, and needs to use just over 9" to reach base to base contact. Since MR has 6-4 MOVE, their max Move+Move is 10" and they reach base to base contact. Step 4: CG can see the Renegade through all of its movement. CG declares BS Attack using their Spitfire. Step 5: MR has declared an Entire Order skill and has nothing to declare Step 6: MR has taken no new actions, as such there can be no new AROs. Step 7: A: Measurements have already been made, technically, and the CG player determines that if they choose the MR's initial point to shoot at they will gain +3 to their roll. B: MR tallies their CC 21, adds the MOD from Assault (-6). CG tallies their BS of 11, adds the MOD from range (+3), adds negative MOD from Assault or other Special CC Skills the MR has (this is -0) C: MR rolls 1 dice versus 15. CG rolls 1 dice versus 14. Both rolls are compared to each other. Step 8: If there was a winner in Step 7, the loser makes ARM roll(s) Step 9: If either model took an ARM roll and survived, they are now Engaged and Guts will not apply. If they took an ARM roll and failed, they are now unconscious and Guts will not apply. As you can see, it will not be a "point blank" shot if it doesn't have to. Above the CG shot the Morat at 9" while the Morat's 0" melee attack is still a Face to Face roll.
Hum so as far as i can read the example it will be a BS vs CC face to face roll, but i can freely coose to shoot at my convenience (range and other factor like cover). But is still a face to face roll and bot attack take place.
Correct! It's very counter-intuitive in the beginning, but once you get to know the system it starts feeling very fair and you'll become very annoyed in the few situations where you have no response what so ever or when there's only normal rolls.
Be careful of all modifier if you do that because if your opponent have visual modifiers (camo, TO, DDO...) and CC modifiers (martial arti, ikhol, surprise attack), you will add all of them For example : - Penthesilea move base to base to your fusilier - your fusilier use BS attack as his ARO - Penthesilea declare CC attack Your fusilier will ARO with a -9 malus (-6 DDO, -6 I-Khol, +3 Range)
Which is one of the reasons even an otherwise better shooter might prefer to declear cc attack as ARO against a TO camo attacker as the -6 TO camo MOD applies only to BS attack and not CC attack. The -6 surprise attack MOD do apply to both.
Further question, maybe this is coming aout of the main topic btw. Example: A is activated inside the Control Zone of B and B, maybe because he do not have any LoF toward A, do not declare any ARO for this first short skill (that is Movement). A come in LoF and then in contact with B. Since B had the possibility to declare the ARO but renounce to do so, he can't declare ARo on the first Shorts Skill right? (He can still declare for the second i think, but since A now is in CC he can't declare a BS attack).
If B had the opportunity to declare an ARO against the first skill and chose not to use it then they forfeit their ARO for the entire order.
So if B should react (maybe using a Change Facing) but it choose to not do. He cannot react to the CC attack (for example using Dodge or another CC) correct?
This implies that is best to engage while my Trooper is inside the Control Zone and out of LoF so i can negate an effective ARO to the defending Model
