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Avatar and isolation.

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by tezeech, Jun 28, 2018.

  1. tezeech

    tezeech New Member

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    So with hecklers having a jammer, and my friend testing out vanilla ca I was curious.

    If the jammer succeeds the avatar gets isolated, next turn he's in lol and has to pick a new lt.

    So he does this and I kill the avatar during his turn 1 can he still upload the avatars personality with g: mnemonic, and 2 if he picks the guy who's his lt to do it does the go into lol again as his new lts personality gets over ridden?
     
  2. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    http://wiki.infinitythegame.com/en/Ghost_(G)

    REQUIREMENTS
    • In order to activate this Special Skill, the user must be in a Null state.

    Isolated IS NOT a Null State.


    CA player will be in LoL, must elect a new Lieutenant in the following turn and lose the Stratego advantage.

    BUT...
    If he manages to get the Avatar killed BEFORE the end of the turn it enters Isolated State, the Aspect is transferred and no LoL will be ever applied.

    AND...
    If he manages to get the Avatar killed BEFORE the end of the LoL turn, the Aspect is transferred and so the new Lt will be the one chosen by Mnemonica.
     
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  3. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Isolated says this:
    Mnemonica says this:
    • Once activated, this transfer is automatic at the end of the Order in which the user entered in Null state.
    My emphasis added. This means the WIP transfer happens BEFORE the LoL kicks in so if you Isolate him first and kill him afterwards in the same turn, then he can transfer his WIP and Lt. Special Skill because doesn't meet the LoL criteria yet. If you isolate him on turn 1 and kill him on turn 2 then he can transfer his WIP but not his Lt. Special Skill, as he no longer possesses that skill.
     
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  4. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    If the Avatar is Unconscious AND Isolated, it is in a Null State, thus being able to activate Mnemonica...
    If the Avatar is ONLY Isolated, he cannot activate Mnemonica.
     
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  5. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Actually he can, he just can’t transfer his Lt. Skill, as he no longer possesses it.
     
  6. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    If the Avatar goes Unconscious after the force went into Loss of Lieutenant. Otherwise they're still the LT.
     
  7. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Let me see if I have the sequence of events straight:

    1. Avatar becomes Isolated. All this does for the remainder of the turn is stop the Avatar from activating from orders from the order pool. This means that if it has not yet used its Lt. order this turn, it still can (it's a personal order and not part of the order pool). This also means that if it is put down, it CAN transfer the Lt. skill as it still has it.

    2. New active turn starts and due to the Lt. (Avatar) being Isolated, LoL kicks in and all troopers become Irregular. Since Irregular troopers can't be Lt. the Avatar (now) loses the skill. If it is put down at this stage, all it can transfer is the WIP attribute and the G:Nmemonica skill.

    3. Turn ends and a new Lt. is chosen.
     
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  8. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    @Sabin76 minor note: new LT is chosen at end of turn in which the Avatars army entered LOL, not start of next turn.
     
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  9. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. Fixed.
     
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