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Aleph vs. PanO - 300pts 20x20

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by EccentricOwl, Feb 7, 2018.

  1. EccentricOwl

    EccentricOwl Well-Known Member
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    Update 1 - Made some modifications, adding Davavas hacker and dropping Deva/Bot/Agema. TR bot is probably a better defensive tool anyway.


    It's been a while since I busted out the ol' Aleph models. Next week I'm likely to play against a relative newbie who has a flair for the game. He'll be playing PanOceania and he has a fondness for their high-tech tricks; MSV, big guns, and TO camo.

    We usually play 20x20 3.0, so I whipped up a 300pt list using some models I was interested in using - or models I hope that'll psych him out. I'd love to hear your thoughts, since it's been a while since i did anything but teach the game!




    [​IMG] ALEPH
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    [​IMG] MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KARKATA Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 36)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  2. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    First thing : replace the MK1 doctor by an engineer. Your whole list is build around the marut, having a second engineer will be more usefull than a second doctor

    Second : no need for a myrmidon officier. If you loose your marut, you have already (more or less) lost, so it won't be too usefull. Instead I would suggest a zayin (to protect your marut) + a mk5 FO to help with objectives. You could replace the zayin by a daikini HMG for more active turn firepower

    II'm not sure about the agema ML. Without fireteam, ML are only B1 making it more of a reactive weapon. You only have 1 myrmidon to lay smoke so he will likely focus on the marut so no smoke coverage for the agema which mean he won't resit an active turn attack. What do you want to use him for ?
     
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  3. Orland

    Orland Well-Known Member

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    This is my second roster that I'm usually using with my vanilla aleph. CoC myrm was useful for me all the time - freed Marut from Fiday close combat, ate LoL situation (Marut died once so far) and made game on the last turn being the specialist. This setup could use some touch ups, but for me it's okay for now. Also, take the Combi Rifle CoC version, since Eclipse smoke will block MSV2 on Marut.

    [​IMG] List2
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    [​IMG] MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KARKATA Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 36)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] SCYLLA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Maestro) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser + 2 Devabots Charybdis / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] DEVABOT CHARYBDIS Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES (Forward Observer, 360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES (360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

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  4. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Mmmm... I would try to make a 10 orders list, cutting it by one is hard, specially if the ninth order is a Netrod. Also, in this case I suggest using the Combi rifle Officer, since you can throw the chain rifle Myrmidon into melee without much problem while keeping the officer smoking for wither the Marut or the Agema.

    Keep the Mk1 doctor, the engineer version would exist only to provide the order of the Hidden Deployment mk2 and to heal the Marut, while the Sophotect would be hard pressed to heal everybody. Instead, deploy the sophotec close to the Marut while using her Yudbot to heal as needed, and use the Lamedh as ARO support for the Marut.

    I would can the Deva and the Agema, going instead for either a Deva spitfire, or a Danavas (invaluable for that Exorcism program), who will also provide White Noise for a Mk4 if you manage to fit her in.
     
  5. Nenyx

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    Problem is Marut is 3 SWC, CoC is 1, you will probably take one hacker for 0.5 (danava or Mk2). That does not let much for weapons, and the marut really like having some kind of coverage (zayin or whatever). But at the same time, the CoC is very good too. Take whatever you're fine with.

    To free a TAG from a CC if you don't have good CC troop, shot at it with combis. You may harm your TAG, but it's unlikely, whereas you have some good chances of killing the opponent. If you can use triangulated fire (deva sensor or daleth), it's even better since you cannot hit your TAG at all.
     
  6. EccentricOwl

    EccentricOwl Well-Known Member
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    Made some modifications, visible in the original post now. I know I was recommended to stay away from too many Netrods, but I needed to get to 10 orders.

    I'm still not sure if this is good or not - it's probably not. :P I'm surprised by the Danavas hacker, though, in terms of overall power and usefulness.

    @Arkhos94 thank you for the tips. I don't own the second Posthuman pack, but I'll keep him in mind. I honestly kinda like having the Myrmidon Officer, because I find she's reasonably effective even without the TAG.

    I went with the Zayin because I like my paint job, but also because it has a sniffer. I figured I could use the deva sensor to help deal with croc men and mines.

    You have a good point about the Agema; he was mostly there as a purely defensive piece.

    @Orland thanks! Good reminder on the MSV smoke.

    @xagroth I'll swap out the Deva and Agema for a Spitfire Deva. Good idea.

    @Nenyx Thank you for the tip on dealing with TAGs stuck in CC! Good reminder, I appreciate that.
     
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  7. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    It haven't a sniffer. It's the lamedh (8 points) who has it.

    Be carefull, a third of your orders are netrods. It make you very vulnerable to a wrong roll in deployment or a wrong table (remember : you need to be able to put down the circular template in a fully flat area without any scenery to deploy, with some table, you will have an hard time deploying your netrod somewhere they won't be shot down first turn).

    This is the marut list I took for a direct operation tournament (2 zayin to cover the marut, 1 davana to boost them and use them for attack, 2 myrm to cover it in smoke : 1 in front to smoke ARO, one in back in reserve) :
    [​IMG] Liste tournois
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    [​IMG] MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KARKATA Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  8. EccentricOwl

    EccentricOwl Well-Known Member
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    Honestly, that list looks really good. Thank you.
     
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