Achilleus list

I think, you should avoid net rods in a 10 order list. Also shy away from hidden deployment.

I love Patroclus - but rarely run him without Achilles.

I think, the dasyu is a waste, unless its a specialist or sniper.

 

Very same. Netrods are good in a 15-orders list, not really in a 10-orders one. You can't be sure you'll effectively start the game with 10 orders, you may very well have a netrod fail it's landing and be destroyed, or be placed in such a position your opponent will kill it as soon as his turn start. Plus they are useless beside giving an order, whereas a lamedh has a flashpulse. If you're taking a marut you'll likely won't have choice and will end with netrods, but else avoid them if possible.

Dasyus are very good, through expensives. Since you take a mk2 sniper, you should rather pick one specialist dasyu (khd or fo are very good loads), and dump the other to upgrade your netrods. You may for example replace your dasyu sniper by a spitfire msv-2 deva, so that you now have a really good midfield fighter who can do perfectly fine with Patroclus (he has smoke :) )

Achilleus
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

10
PATROCLUS (ODD: Optical Disruptor) Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
DASYU Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 37)
PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33)
SCYLLA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Maestro) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser + 2 Devabots Charybdis / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
DEVABOT CHARYBDIS Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)
DEVA Lieutenant (Sensor) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

Open in Infinity Army


I had to downgrade something to fit all, for i was 1 pt short. I choose the deva Lt for:
1. it was the only lt choice, so the opponent will know it whatever it's loading
2. you didnt had anything to deal with camo. Now you have both a msv2 spitfire and a sensor.
3. remember lamedhs come with sniffer, meaning you don't even have to move your Lt to use sensor.

Lamedhs also have repeater, so with Scylla's own bots, you'll have a BIG covererage - and 2 killer hackers to use it. Scylla has a special synergy with cybermask and repeaters. The opponent cannot use a repeater as long as it is IMP-2. You can, but it will reveal the repeater, and only it, meaning you can be a huge threat without your opponent being able to use it against you. Nomad's nightmare :)

 

Remember that your HD can use their own order to act, so that if you plan to use it from turn 1 you won't lose any order. It's different from AD who use that very order to land. You can also deploy them in marker state, you can even downgrade them to standard CH if you really want to give your opponent some heavy headaches ^^

Dasyu are good, but in my opinion theyr role is mostly taken by nagas, who are cheaper and nearly as effective, and the mk2 (shouldn't need to tell why). I end up taking dasyu only when i've reached full AVA for the nagas and i still want more.

 

Which mission do you plan to use your list for ? Depending on how much specialist you need, replacing one naga minelayer by a specialist one would be a good idea.

Also, how do you plan to use it ? What are Scylla, Patroclus and the Agema job in your mind ? How do you plan to use them ?

This being said, here are some comments :
- You bring an agema but nothing to put down smoke. Without it, you will often shoot twice on 13's against an ARO on 12. This will rapidly end up with your sniper dead.
- You took two dasyus but removed the mk2. You should replace one of the dasyus by a mk2 AHD and use the remaining point to take a basic specialist (thorakitai FO, daikini paramedic) or a myridon chain rifle to smoke your agema.
- On a global level, you are lacking a true heavy hitter. Patroclus is good but not resilient enough to act as your only strong attack piece. Scylla help but not enough. If you plan to use this list on direct op scenario you will be a little to weak on the aggression. On special op you should be OK.

 

Starting with two Dasyu in hidden deployment may cripple you orders reserve. Consider dropping one. The sniper I think it's redundant.

Enviado desde mi SM-J330FN mediante Tapatalk

 

Most opponents will count your points and quickly realize you have less than 230 points on the table. As your opponent know you have only one group, it's not very hard to guess the group of 3 daikini is likely a fake and is in truth Patroclus

 

And you end up with 12 orders in your first group, i'm not sure your opponent won't notice it :)

 

Ho, nice trap indeed :)

 

In theory yes, but in practice no.

If your opponent count your order thinking the daikini are daikini they will count 10 orders on the table (which should mean everything is deployed) but only 215 points (2 dasyus are in hidden deployment + 12 points difference between 3 daikini paramedic and patroclus)(which shows everything is not deployed).

From there, it's not hard to guess that the 85 missing points are a pair of HD/AD troops (+ maybe the mk2) and that your 3 daikini are a fake (2 of your visible trooper are a fake to hide your HD/AD model and only the daikini come in three)

 

I'd be more surprised, if an opponent didn't bring AD/HD surprises, than if he did. Holding 85 pts back is a huge advantage, as an opponent has no means of guessing whether he should be fearing rooftop TO snipers or spitfire Garudas running down his flank.

That said, I'd advise against the double dasyu in your main group. Their main advantage is the HD surprise, but if it comes at the expense of gimping an offensive piece like Patroclus by 20%, then your gimmick comes at a steep price. I'm much more a fan of holding 'sleeper' dasyu in a second group, then bringing them in for the late game surprise shore up losses.

-

Three things, that I'm not fond of in the list is; that you've got too many heavy hitters, and too few order monkeys. Holding Patroclus back for smoking an Agema is just too menial a task for a 57 pt. model, who wants to get up the field. The list also has pitiful range with a single spitfire and a single MSR, so beyond the 16" line it will really struggle in FTF. Finally there is no way of dealing with MSV2 beyond a straight sniper duel with the Agema, no Eclipse or White Noise to cover an advance or return fire.. And then there is a net rod, and with a 10 order list, you really need to be able to rely on every little order.