I apologize if all of this has been discussed already. The new Khawarij box has finally tipped me over the edge into making a Haqq Ramah army. Just glancing at what is out there now for Ramah, they seem like they will sorely need new MI and perhaps even HI options. As I understand it, Saladin is the only MI option for Ramah right now and Al Fasid is the only HI (which might be fine). Am I wrong in my assumption that RTF will likely see new MI and perhaps HI troops? Anyway, has there been any information, similar to the early previews of Invincible Army for Yu Jing, in regard to any new troops for Ramah? I guess my last concern point is that the LI presently in Ramah are pretty costly (Ghulam and Naffatun cheerleaders notwithstanding). Do you see this as a huge problem to the sectorial or will it make them truly unique from the larger Haqq armies? Thanks!
Honestly? We don't know. We assume / hope / have been told there will be "more Haqq supersoldiers" in RTF, but what type exactly? That has not been revealed. That being said, Haqq aren't really known for their HI or MI troops (if memory serves me, QK has 3 MI and 3 HI avaialble, and HB 2 HI and 2 MI, I might be missing one type, but that's it). Light Infantry, especialy elite ones, well, that's another story. Personally, I withhold my judgement: there is too little data to make one. Then again, the recent sectorials - Varuna, Invincible Army, Kazaks and Aleph's Operations SubSection - seem (and have been judged by players, AFAIK) as well-rounded, interesting sectorials, and great advance in style compared to older ones. This makes me rather optimistic regarding the future of RTF: I expect CB will do the Ramah right. However, how that "ight" is going to look, exactly, is still unknown to us.
We have sectorials without a single MI or HI out there (JSA, Varuna, Druze) so nothing is certain. The line between LI and MI is also so blurred now it's really just a legacy from old editions. Yadu and the new IA HI-lite further blur distinctions. I've always felt that Khawarij and Zhayedan fill the "elite, single wound, non-skirmisher/warband" slot that most MI tend to fill. Zhayedan in particular seem like a great candidate for mixed links or Wildcard.
Your statement is a bit confusing since it makes it sound like Varuna and Druze do not have LI or MI. JSA and Varuna do not have MI, but most assuredly have HI in the form of Tanko, Domaru, Daiyokai and others for JSA and Orcs and Montessa for Varuna. Druze is the inverse with no HI, but for MI they have the main shock teams and a couple characters. I am pretty sure you just meant that JSA, Varuna and Druze do not have both HI and MI, but I just wanted to avoid any confusion by spelling it out. Anyway, I guess we will see. I wish they would provide info on the army before tempting us with amazing sculpts.
Sorry, I meant that Varuna and JSA are completely missing MI (though they do certainly have HI), and that Druze have no HI (though MI are very much their cornerstone).
No problem and I appreciate your point. It made me think deeper into the MI, HI "issue." I hope RTF is a creative, fun new sectorial no matter what "weight class" it fights at.
As a more general point, it doesn't seem like having an equal spread of each unit type has ever been a design goal for CB -- PanO has exactly zero warbands in the whole faction, for example. A very LI heavy sectorial doesn't seem to be an issue to me (and seems pretty consistent with Haaq design.)
Got it. Let me flip my question a different way. Given what we think we know about RTF, what pieces is it missing in your opinion? Clearly the handful of models we have do not seem enough for a sectorial, so just like Varuna and IA, it seems like RTF will get something new. What do you think that will be?
I'd guess a HI lighter than Al Fasid. Or an analog to one, for example a Supersoldier with 2W, ARM 3+ and BTS 3+, but not hackable. One or two more LI types. Perhaps an Infiltrator, or at least Forward Deployed unit, to supplement Touareg. A conventional AD L3 would be useful. Bikers are very popular recently, so I wouldn't be ruling one for Ramah, too. Keep in mind we could be getting a whole lot of new profiles for existing units, though. Like, 3 more loadouts ofr the Maghariba.
An FD2 pseudo-skirmisher like Aida/Locust/Ryuken SMG would be neat. Something cheaper than the Tuareg but not stepping on the toes of the other Vanilla camo skirmishers. I'd rather see a hyper mobile supersoldier than a biker, something like 6-2 Move, climbing plus, and smoke.
Do you really think we’ll get new loadouts for Mags? I think max one. Beyond that, CB could get more engagement/money by sculpting a new TAG, don’t you think?
I feel like if they were going to do a new TAG then the Cutter would be higher priority than a brand new TAG for RTF that already had a big centrepiece TAG. We also saw new loadouts in 3rdO for the Seraph, Tik, and Squalo, so they've shown appetite for boosting "older" TAGs.
I think we need to also consider whats gonna be in rama already and whats in vanilla. A 2 wound HI supersoldier kinda steps on tariks toes a bit and would have to compete with our existing HI aswell. Ayyar is shooty HI, Asawira is CC and solid shooting HI, azzy is a bigger HI gun platform, fasid is bigger toolboxy HI, tarik is our resident Supersoldier HI, and jans are our basic boys. The same can apply elsewhere too. With hakims in Rama and bashis and ragiks in vanilla id doubt we will see another AD. I also doubt we will see another actual skirmisher. Likely a pseudo skirmisher LI model. Also we have the kum already but i guess CB could release another bike unit that i wont care about. I would however bet we get a more traditional elite warband. Like a daturazi or myrmidon type. Cheap and deadly in combat but not an expendable smoke thrower.
Effendi, you ask what I really think? I think we could sit down over baclava and a good coffee, and wait for CB to make their plans known. Because they are long-time made, sealed and set final by now, and whatever we speculate here won't make them budge by even a hair's width. Our birthday gifts are already bought and wrapped, and will be handed to us in due time. We're now merely wondering what, oh what, is in the packs. I've said it already - I consider that to be generally pointless, and potentially leading to a disappointment once the packs are opened, and their content doesn't stand to to our inflated expectations. But that is going to be solely our own fault, and not those who have given use the gifts. Because it is us who are pumping our expectations up, to sometimes ridiculous size. That's why I prefer to not speculate about it. I trust that CB have doen as good job on RTF as they did on the few most recnet sectorials, and that's it. Remember: if you have highest expectations, you can be surprised only in a negative way (because even the best possible outcome will be exactly what you've expected, and anything less will provide you with a disapointment). And speculating is nothing but whipping up the expectations of the forum's fanatic peat...
RTF seems to lend itself better to the Limited Insertion format compared to Qapu Khalqi and Hassassin Baharm, so that's a fun new way to play Haqqislam. The only real thing the sectorial seems to be missing at the moment are hackers (which seems unlikely for the most tech-y Haqq faction) and war band troops (a deliberate choice since RTF is the elite!). Like Erhille said, let's just kick back and see what we'll get in the future. Let's take a look at what the other factions got as a result of new sectorials or profile updates. Whether these are good or not is a whole different debate, but they bring fun exciting options to the factions. PanO: Motorized Heavy Infantry, Camo shell game in a faction that hadn't the luxury before. Irregular roadblocks, Versatile AD trooper with unique loadouts. Yu Jing: Exploding jump infantry able to take a crit, Lieutenant lvl 2 hacker/sniper for limited insertion, NCO on a lot of profiles to make use of that! Ariadna: Minedropping motorcycles, T2 munition and camo all over the place, (Yeah okay, I must admit TAK builds even more on Ariadna's strengths) Nomads: Puppetbots, Superjumping heavy infantry, Camo area denial, AI motorcycle Aleph: Strong anti-Ghazi pseudo-HI , assault remote, a remote buffer, specialist troop with e/marat + cybermine buddies. These troops either bring new ways to play or plug some holes their respective factions/sectorials have. And I believe RTF will get a similar treatment.
Gotta disagree. Speculation is fun. Do some people get too hyped? Sure. Have I ever been in that camp? Nope. Cautious optimism never hurt anyone.
The problem is its lack of durability in Limited Insertion format. If were relying on teams of Khawarij and Zhayadens, that's not going to last long or provide much of a speed bump. The Ramah units will need work and we are indeed missing units. If the sectorial would come out now, it is doubtful it would be competitive due to its costs for active models. I feel like we will see more units coming out. Haqqislam is not really a faction CB promotes though. They do not ignore it, they basically treat us as a group that is happy and just expect things to happen as they will. "Oh hey haqq, by the way heres a new unit. We will check back in later with some updates. Take care." and we are just kinda like, sipping coffee, "Thanks. Have a good one, we will give it a go."
I agree wholeheartedly with this. But it puts me in a tight spot, mentally. I am mostly just happy with whatever we get, and I'll be playing with my friend group for a long time. Despite that, if we don't stay competitive, while others see power creep, the game will eventually get stale or unfun for us Haqq players. That could be said for any game though. What I guess I'm really saying, is that I hope RTF is good enough to be relevant. IF that's the case, I'll be content.
