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2 groups Vanilla list

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Arkhos94, Mar 6, 2019.

  1. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    I spent some time reading this subforum because I'm thinking of moving to CA vanilla for next season

    Nearly all the Vanilla list here are 1 group list. I'm a bit surprised because CA Vanilla has access to some very cheap very nice order (6 regulars orders for 42 points is quite nice). So I'm wondering why there is no/very little 2 groups list posted here.

    Is it a bad way to play Vanilla ? If not, could you show me some example of 2 groups vanilla list you like ?
     
  2. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    I exclusively play multiple group lists. They typically perform very well.

    Here are some examples;

    [​IMG] Apex Predator
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NOCTIFER Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] AVATAR Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Sepsitor Plus / DA CCW. (3.5 | 137)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] STALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    [​IMG] Anathematic test 4
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] ANATHEMATIC Sepsitor, Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 88)
    [​IMG] NEXUS Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] SHROUDED (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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    [​IMG] Aswang
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] ASWANG Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] SPECULO KILLER Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW, Knife. (1 | 34)
    [​IMG] RODOK Hacker (EI Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] SHROUDED (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]6 [​IMG]7
    [​IMG] ASWANG Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 3[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NOCTIFER Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  3. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    Oh and this one is fun too;

    [​IMG] Charizot
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] CHARONTID Lieutenant Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 73)
    [​IMG] RAICHO MULTI HMG + Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 89)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] RAICHO PILOT 2 Heavy Pistols, D-Charges, Knife. ()
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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  4. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    @RobertShepherd : if I understand correctly the gamestyle for your two group is an heavy hitter in a 8-10 regulars order group and some warbands in a secondary group.

    There is not a lot of specialist here, do you keep it that way for specialist based mission or do you move to a 10 order list
     
  5. RobertShepherd

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    I've found that's the best way to make two groups work in combined army, yeah. Because the hungry warband package is very points light and has a lot of little uses, which you need when you have a lot of points packed into big superheavy pieces like the Aspects.

    I do add more specialists and generally tailor the lists for specific missions, but no I don't move to a single combat group. Like I love that Anathematic list but I would definitely exchange the sepsitor profile for the hacker profile if I was playing comms centre for example.

    Likewise I usually take the morat engineer because 6pts gets me another Gaki and a half. But in supplies for example a 6-4 doctor who can palm off boxes to slave drones and keep going after objectives is well worth the upgrade.

    Some specialists I generally get good value out of are the M-Drone and Bit for cheap, the E-Drone, Doc Worm, Shrouded FO/AHD and Rodok KHD for middling cost, and the heavy aspects with hacking devices for expensive. Also the Avatar is a WIP13 specialist if all else fails.
     
  6. smog

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    I have a lot better experience with two group lists. The second one usually has warbands, ARO pieces and maybe a specialist like malignos, a hacker or dr worm and a regular cheerleader or two

    Example:

    [​IMG] Combined Army──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2[​IMG] CHARONTID Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L3) HMG, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 79)[​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)[​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)[​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)[​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)[​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)[​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)[​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)[​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Submachine Guns, Chest Mine / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 17)[​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2[​IMG] NOCTIFER Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)[​IMG] LIBERTO Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)[​IMG] Q-DRONE Plasma Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)[​IMG] NEXUS Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)[​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)[​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4) 5.5 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
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  7. Tickle Monster

    Tickle Monster Active Member

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    I regularly run vanilla lists with thirteen to fifteen orders and find them quite effective.

    Some of our cheaper models are really good. Pretas and ikadrones move quite quickly and can do a lot of damage to clustered enemies. Daturazi are world champions at laying down smoke and even the humble gaki has its uses like mine clearance and trying to bait camo markers into revealing themselves.

    I don't bother with any of our 14 point order monkeys though. Vanguard are just not worth the price you pay, seed soldiers are terrible (this may change soon) and Unidrones whilst ok only really come into their own in a link team with hacker support.
     
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    I'd agree with this, with the exception of Krakots who often fill out my order pools with their 14-15pt profiles.

    Definitely hoping for a good seed soldier update soon though.
     
  9. RobertShepherd

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    I have a game of extreme mode highly classified coming up and shopped this together for it. If anyone has any feedback I'd be interested. Originally I had a Charontid HD+ in charge but I felt like I needed Ko Dali to back up the Rasyat, plus nullifier shenanigans can be funny. Not sold on it though.

    [​IMG] Highly Classified Draft 2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] SPECULO KILLER Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW, Knife. (1 | 34)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG] NEXUS Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] KO DALI Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / 2 Assault Pistols, Knife. (0 | 38)
    [​IMG] LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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  10. Tickle Monster

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    I would suggest changing the groups around a bit. You seem to have some good attacking models like Ko Dali in your second group. I would swap them out for some of the chaff in group one (imetrons, r drone). There is nothing more annoying than running out of orders on a smoke / msv rambo run.
     
  11. RobertShepherd

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    Had a game with it last night and it performed convincingly, but Ko Dali should probably have swapped places with the Rasyat. Whether or not two drop troops was necessary is a bit up in the air though (dohoho). I'd brought them for sabotage, predator, and all the objectives that need Veterans/Elites... which we drew, and then the speculo promptly took care of two and a half of on the first turn, because she's elite.

    I might drop one of them just for a noctifer just because noctifers good.
     
  12. smog

    smog Well-Known Member
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    I agree, you have a lot of models that you want to spend orders on. I think you could swap one out for a Noctifer like you mentioned. I like your idea about deploying a nullifier next to the HVT