1.1.1 "No LoF" Preemptive Direct Template?

Yep, that matches my understanding, you've fulfilled the LoF requirement and the template touched the target so the attack is legit.

 

It does suggest that the scenario in your other thread might also work. The fusilier shoots from a point inside smoke, and has LoF to the target from a different point outside the smoke. The LoF from outside the smoke fulfills the Requirements, therefore the shot from inside the smoke succeeds.

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This is a problem that I first heard from Dee who brought up when we were spectating a game when Jarmo hosted a tournament with RAL. I'd say that the problem isn't new, but rather that the situation has not been very likely to happen before (only, it did happen to Jarmo's disadvantage in that game).

As a small aside;
Zero Visibilty Zones rules text are written in a very interesting way as they do not assume that the trooper will move out of the zone in the same order as the zone is relevant and unlike the red important box is written from the perspective of the attacker. It's almost as if whether the opponent draws their LOF through the smoke is irrelevant, only whether the attacker does! Cue Hsien moving out of a smoke template and choosing to shoot their shots from inside the zone to impose -6 on the target.

In either case.
Yes, I think you should be able to declare and execute that ARO as BS Attack has a requirement to have LOF, but doesn't ever say that the LOF you have is the LOF you have to draw for your shots using. (It was this latter thing that Dee pointed out to me)

 

I taked a lot of minutes to understand the "issue".
In the case @Diphoration have presented I think isn't possible except if the "target" has mvl1,2 or 3, and as second half of the order the enemy chooses to shoot but not to move. If only do "move" as in the described problem, then the template could only be place touching the "zhansi" when outside the "smoke", because is when the daturazi gains LoF, not before.

Direct template or not you have to fullfil the requisite to have LdF to do use "CD attack", and you only have LdF when outside the smoke. If the enemy try to place the template in this way, the attack will fail because "datu has no LoF while the zanshi is in the smoke". If we do things in this way, someone could allegates that he shoot us behind a wall because he fullfil the LdT later when isn't behin the wall, in order, for example to gain the +3 to CD.

To me is clear, you can shoot in the "way" where you "have LoF", and only in that "gap".

Best regards.

 

Two notes on that.
a) BS Attack needs LOF for the precise point you are pulling off the BS Attack. So that's in there.
b) It can't be strictly limited to LOF and only LOF because the "reacting against BS Attack through Smoke" exception, which your example uses, has nothing to do with regular BS Attacks - the reactive trooper circumvents the need for LOF.

 

I think its allowed here and not in the impact template thread, because the shooting troopers when he declares bs attack first has to tell opponent where in his movement path he is attacking from.

Here the reactive trooper can do his attacks from out of the smoke so there was no issue from him. In the ml thread, the active trooper has no los from inside the smoke and so can't choose there to shoot from (so it will always fail and become an idle, unless msv gets involved).

 

I'm having a heck of a time finding where the rule that a Direct Template which fails to hit its Target is cancelled in the rules right now. The only thing I am seeing on the wiki is the example for "shot cancelled", but I can't find anything relating to it in actual rules. I'm also, and slightly related, not finding anything to indicate in N4 when you remove the template. It is placed at Declaration of course, but nothing about when it comes off the table.
Tangentially related to this discussion.

 

The rules show the 'shot cancelled' effect on N4 p.50. I do think there is some ambiguity about when exactly the shot is cancelled. Some say it's cancelled immediately if it doesn't touch anything, BUT if all checks are in fact at resolution (per 1.1.1), it suggests that the template might sit on the table until resolution, potentially denying an area or forcing a figure to move around the template.

On the one hand, I don't love the idea of needing to leave multiple DTW templates on the table until resolution in the instance of something like a shotgun or multiple figures shooting (I don't even have more than one small and large teardrop). On the other hand, a successful template placement (e.g. not cancelled because it's at least hitting the target) can still realistically have someone walk into it at a later point in the order, so either way there's the potential for templates to litter the table.

 

Since you mention the wiki, it's here: https://infinitythewiki.com/Template_Weapons_and_Equipment

First Important! red box:

The actual rule for Shot Cancelled in the N4 rulebook is on p. 47. The text is the same as above. The key is "is automatically considered a failure and no Game Element will be affected by the Template." The rule requires that the Main Target be hit.

Even if checks are moved entirely to resolution, what happens in practice is you have to declare who the Main Target is at skill declaration, and then place the template. If you're in active, the target can't move so as long as they're within range, the template works.

In ARO, it's messier if you declare a Main Target who you hope will move into the template, since it becomes an area denial tool but not a particularly effective attack.

That gets even more zany when the Main Target is part of a Fireteam or Coordinated Order, because if you place the template before they've moved into it, the group's second Move could involve everyone but the Main Target moving into the template and as long as the Main Target stays outside the template, it's cancelled and everyone can safely ignore it. This allows a Fireteam to declare BS Attack as the first skill, shoot from outside template range, and the templating ARO trooper will have to give up on the template and do something else (regular BS Attack, Dodge, etc.) OR place the template and declare a Main Target and then watch as the Main Target just walks around the template and the rest of the Fireteam just pretends it isn't there. The only real benefit would be to use the template to deny a specialist (who becomes the Main Target) access to that area for a single Order. Nothing forces the Fireteam to break cohesion or even declare Move toward the template at all.

 

I swaer I looked on that page like 4 ties and never saw it