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New Tunguska

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by mothman, Mar 24, 2018.

  1. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    6th Sense Level 2 is very good on Hackers... Stops Hackable targets with Stealth sneaking past Repeaters.

    On the topic of Mixed links and Sectorial size, I wouldn't be surprised if the new Sectorials are significantly smaller than what's come previously. The current Sectorials have been built out quite a bit since their initial release. For example, Lupe, Jaguars, Bandits are all relatively new to Corregidor. Riot Grrrls, Swasts not part of the original Tunguska release. Tunguska could realistically have significantly fewer units than the well-estbalished Sectorials, but not necessarily suffer a disadvantage because of it.
     
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  2. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    And I don't think it's very likely Interventors will be Core linkable.
     
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  3. wellspokenman

    wellspokenman Retired Intruder

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    [QUOTE="barakiel, post: 95406, Tunguska could realistically have significantly fewer units than the well-estbalished Sectorials, but not necessarily suffer a disadvantage because of it.[/QUOTE]

    This is possible, but seems unlikely.
     
  4. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Geckos came to Corregidor at the same time as Grrls to Bakunin too.

    I expect some mixed links but not to the level of the new merc forces, Ikari and StarCo links are actually surprisingly brittle due to unusual restrictions, and Druze essentially only have one option with lots of flexibility.
     
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  5. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    More units doesn't just mean better, a sectorial could have Fusilier, Alguacilles, Zhanshi, Keisotsu, Vanguard, and Ghulam thrown together but each addition would only add a few if any useable profiles anyways.
     
  6. wellspokenman

    wellspokenman Retired Intruder

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    Sure, but I don't think anybody is lobbying for more line troops. We'll see what we get. From my point of view (vanilla), I don't care about links anyway and any new profile I get access to is going to be awesome.
     
  7. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    You don't know what you're lobbying for because you don't know what you have.
     
  8. redeemer

    redeemer Well-Known Member

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    When we talk about mixed unit links do you guys refer to the stuff for all uprising factions? Because i kinda want to be able to put elite units with named heroes and spec ops for nomads too. The JSA got some sweet link teams you can run neko, a kempeitai, yuriko, spec ops doctor, and a ML keisotsu, which makes team that is hell to deal with at any range with 3 specialists, unless you toss in a hacker in the link too for around 100 pts with all the bonuses of a full link team. i'm just saying if i can link my brigadas with lupe and an intruders maybe a jaguar or aguaciles, i wouldn't mind at allnot to mention all the other potential crazy combinations.
     
  9. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    That is what we're talking about, yes.
     
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  10. Zakalwe

    Zakalwe Bomber Harris, Do It Again!

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    Going by previous releases, what kind of timeframe are we expecting for the release of the list on Army6, given the box will come out near the end of June?

    Anyone have any suspicions about changed AVA of things like REMs? I'm going to be surprised if Tunguska doesn't allow something like three Transductor Zonds!

    Securitate will be able to gain Sixth Sense L2 from the fireteam bonuses, which should not be underestimated. Securitate will most likely be a better option for something you use to throw down Supportware every round, saving your HD+s for things like throwing down White Noise further upfield.
     
  11. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    You have to keep a few things in mind with these, I think. ISS is probably the classic "boss and 4 mooks link" in terms of stuff they had -- things like the Hsien Zhanying Haris, or the Wu Ming Zhanying core, or the Crane + CG core, or the CG + KS core. That spilled into JSA too (remember that JSA used to only have 2 types of core -- the Keisotsu/Keisotsu+Kempei and the Domaru/DoMaki).

    Steel Phalanx brought some more of those additionally (the Greek word "enomotarch" literally refers to a type of commander of a spartan military unit), but in general I don't think that style of link will be as common in the new factions outside of IA (where I expect Sun Tze V2 to be able to join any core). I don't think you'll see Kriza + 4 Securitates, for example. Grenzer Haris seems likely, and the Hollow Men might get some kind of link. I don't think you'll see any mixed links except maybe with some repeated REMs.
     
  12. Gunmage

    Gunmage General Contact Unit

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    Wouldn't it be harder to give units creative profiles if everything only links with itself? Look at basic core teams, for example - they generally all have the same "combi-burst4-low_burst_heavy-specialist" kit, plus maybe one faction-unique profile, if you're lucky. Isn't there more uniqueness to the new units that don't have as much different profiles, but step away from that standard scheme? And they will have more usability in vanilla if they don't intersect with similar units not available in their sectorial. Plus, if you are playing limited insertion, 5-of-a-kind teams look just boring, when half of a list is basically the same thing.

    And re:
    It seems to me that other armies with mixed links have a theme to them - like ISS being "boss dude and his retinue", JSA being "a veteran and a bunch of recruits", or merc companies having a strike piece (or several) and its support in the same team. That isn't really like throwing everything together without rhyme or reason. Is there a reason to be expect Tunguska to be different?
     
  13. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Mixed Haris: "tha boss and his bodyguards": 2 Hollow Men or 2 Securitate with an Interventor/some specialist? Grenzer + 2 Securitate?

    Mixed Core is a little more difficult, but I wouldn't find strange 1-2 Hollow Men with Grenzers or Securitates (throw the disposable tin cans at the enemy, the real pros go behind to complete the mission).
     
  14. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Interventors that link like Healers would solve a lot of their issues with KHDs.
     
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  15. Gunmage

    Gunmage General Contact Unit

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    I think Tunguska can have another, different from other factions, mixed link theme. I'm a noob so can't really think of a viable concept easily, but, for example, "toolbox" - teams which combine different elite units, not "1 elite + n mooks" but "1+1+1...". No cheap filler, so points heavy and loses more with any models picked off, but versatile (and maybe some Number 2 profiles?..).

    P.S. On another note, I sort of had an impression of Hollow Men being less of "expendable tin can" and more of "frontline leader", kinda like Hsien, since they look heavy-ish, seem to carry a lot of interesting stuff and the "brain-in-a-jar" thing sounding like "Nomads' answer to posthumans". Did I miss something?
     
  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Nah, the starter having a single Hollow Man means it's no posthuman-like. I'd say its a Remote Presence Heavy Infantry, and that the "brain in a jar" accounts for the Puppetactic slot that people were so keen on.
    Now the level of mook/elite will depend on their profile.


    It will depend, if it goes for an "elite" feel then sure, mixed links are a must or the faction might have trouble being viable enough. However, the Haris options I mentioned are kinda open, since we don't know the exact profiles, aside from the Grenzer (who has specialistis profiles, camo-hunting profiles, etc...), and the Securitate are very likely going to have Paramedic (or doctor), hacker and FO profiles like most of the basic infantry on all factions.

    Aside, 1+1+1 is kinda the Tohaa and Greeks shtick, so while possible I wouldn't say its probable (at most 40-50%).
     
  17. Nicklz

    Nicklz Well-Known Member

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    I would expect some exotic link combinations, after all you need to give the Sectorial something that trumps playing Vanilla.
    In an elite faction this is hard to do with AVA. Pure core LI link teams can't become too expensive with Securitate probably on the edge ( around 100pts for a full 5 man link?) . And pur MI links (Grenzers ...) are rarely seen anyway.
     
  18. McNamara

    McNamara Merc Rep

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    I guess Grenzers plus Interventors makes sense with that in mind (maybe as a Haris as well)
    Securitate plus Interventors seems a bit to strong and if they still have repeaters, even on only one profil, it presences nice synergy. Hollow Men/Women seem like a good mix with Securitate though. Would also separate them from Karakuri and underline there human part a bit more.
     
  19. Gunmage

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    I didn't mean posthumans like "having G:Jumper", but in more of a lore sense as in "we can't make lhosts, so we get robot bodies with brains in them" (since technically anyone who has an lhost can be considered a posthuman). And thus I would expect them to be something inbetween G:RP HI like Karakuri and hi-spec lhosts like Devas.
    Well, that's just it. HI just doesn't say expendable to me - there are no cheap HIs in the game presently. Although I would agree that this is all just wild guessing until profiles are out - maybe Hollow Men really are the first HIs that are a dime a dozen =)
    Re: Greeks - really? They actually seem to follow the same "stock dudes + named character based on them" pattern that is in all the older sectorials, like Kisaragi+Moiras or Massacre+Jaguars. The only exception is Hector, who goes everywhere...
    Re: Tohaa - maybe, I wouldn't know, since there's none in my city to play against, but reading their rule - they still would have the advantage of being able to pick and choose, as opposed to rigid teams with pre-written composition.
     
  20. Kwisatz Haderach

    Kwisatz Haderach Zelenograd Shasvastii
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    Grenzers + interventors make no sense due to Grenzers MSV1..........
     
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