Immobilised Impetuous Models?

I think he lose the Order (or never receive the Order) without being able to spend it.

Idle-Idle is not a valid declaration, and all valid declaration include some form of movement which you are not allowed to declare; so it is not the same case as when declaring what you thought you could declare and then perform Idle instead. When IMM you cannot declare Move. If IMM-1 you can usually declare Reset but you are not allowed to declare skills that are not on the list of allowed combination for Imp Order.

 

So here's the deal, RAW the game breaks.

You generate the order as usual, immobilized even says as much.

You then have an order you have to spend, and which you have to declare move (or jump or climb)
You aren't allowed to declare any of these as per immobilized
You can't make illegal declarations and even if you took the tact that you can, the game falls apart because movement is a thing that just happens as soon as declared, you wouldn't "check" legality at resolution and revert it to an idle like with other things.

So there's a very legitimate case that you're forced to declare a move and then your immobilized trooper moves (which I'm sure we can all agree is a ridiculous proposition).

The RAW doesn't work because you're being mandated to do something you aren't allowed to do and there's no clear way to determine which should supercede the other.

You kinda just have to figure out what seems reasonable, personally I think the model should activate and idle, impetuous is meant to be a drawback after all, not a free order, that's why there's a discount attached to it.

 

Since there are no legal declarations you can make with the order, it is effectively canceled. I would disagree with @Spleen and say that the impetuous trooper is never activated, and thus does not provoke AROs.

 

I would play it as idle-idle. Idle is used both explicitly allowed and implicitly allowed at times. For instance aro, idle isnt an option yet is declared if the chosen aro is no longer valid.

Idle is not allowed to be chosen but is rai the default behavor if something breaks down in the rules accidentally.

 

Idle is a valid Impetuous declaration.

At the very least the trooper can Idle + well-fuck-I-broke-the-game. It's easiest to treat it as a single Idle / Idle + Idle though (functionally they make no difference for this interaction).

I fundamentally disagree with Spleen that you can't intentionally declare Invalid orders that just auto-fail to Idle though. But it's mostly irrelevant, in that you can work around the interaction.

 

For what it's worth, the Skills declared for the Imm Extremely Impetuous trooper is largely irrelevant, that they've been activated by an Order is already enough as that's the first bullet point for who triggers AROs (http://infinitythewiki.com/en/ARO:_Automatic_Reaction_Order):

A trooper owned by the Reactive Player can declare an ARO if any of the following is true:

• It has Line of Fire (LoF) to a trooper being activated by the Active Player.

 

Stealth is the only reason I can think it would be relevant.

 

The rulebook states in order to cancel the extermely impetuous order you must spend a regular order to cancel it. In this case you are forced to do so as he cannot perform a legal move. There is no other legal option but for you to cancel his order. You have to do so. No exceptions.
Edit: You cannot idle-idle as that is not a legal move

 

What if he's also Isolated? :P

 

Based on?

 

Still stands, unless u are all out of regular orders from the order pool, in which case u have to spend a command tokens to Change an irregular order to a regular order in order to cancel. If for some sad reason you don't have any command tokens left then you should ask the Dice Gods how u got into this situation

 

Forgot exactly which page the rulebook has the fury entry.
But according to the wiki the table clearly states the combinations of short skills you must do unless you wish to cancel the order. If there is no legal combination of skills the only option that doesn't break the game is to cancel that order. Hence you have to do so because an extremely impetuous order must be spent if not the only other option is for it to be cancelled. Otherwise u will be breaking the game.

 

It's not worded like that. Cancelling the Order is purely voluntary, and there may not even be a Regular order available.

You appear to be adding rules that don't exist.

 

You are correct. So I will use this to explain myself.

• Troopers with this Characteristic must expend their Impetuous Order during the Impetuous Phase, and follow the rules specific to these kinds of orders.

It says they MUST expend their order according to the rules specific to these kinds of orders.

However:

Canceling an Impetuous Order
During their Impetuous Phase, players can cancel one Impetuous Order of an Extremely Impetuous trooper by expending one Regular Order from that Order Pool. To do so, remove the Impetuous Order Marker from that trooper, who cannot use it for any other purpose.

Canceling an Impetuous Order does not give the trooper the ability to benefit from Partial Cover MODs, as the trooper is still Extremely Impetuous.
This gives an option to cancel.
Hence you are presented with this:
You HAVE TO DO A (spend the extremely impetuous order), IF NOT YOU CAN DO B(which is cancel).
Since you cannot perform A legally, wouldn't the only legal option left be B?
Edit: if there are no possibility of a Regular order to cancel, I recommend a sacrifice of 2 black chickens to the Dice Gods I find that most of my tabletop problems are solved through this augery.

 

If u cannot perform a legal extremely impetuous order. You have to cancel. Refer to my above post to see my logic on this.