Determine Cover from where on base?

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  1. SPYNTBG

    SPYNTBG New Member

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    Hello, since LoS is drawn from any point on the base to any point on the targets base, is this the same case for determining cover?

    For example, in the image attached, model A can draw LoS to almost all of model Bs base if drawing from the edge, thus no Cover (and vice versa). But if drawing from the center, they would both receive cover.
    (This is the most extreme example I could offer). Cover.png
     
  2. Wolf

    Wolf https://youtube.com/@StudioWatchwolf

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    Yes, that’s correct. So in your nicely drawn example, neither unit has any cover from the other.

    Note that ‘Line of Fire’ is a special game term with a very particular definition over which people have been known to argue vociferously. Thus, even though the Spanish designers themselves freely use the phrase Line of Sight interchangeably, it’s as well to be clear whether you mean Lme or Fire or just “stuff can see, or could potentially see, other stuff”. Be afraid; be very afraid! :smile:

    I’m away from the computer right now, but will find some rules references for back up in due course.
     
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  3. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    @psychoticstorm Seriously, at this point the rest of us have constantly followed you request to drop this matter. please ensure that from now on wolf does the same. His constant snide remarks reflect very poorly on the forums and the members here.

    You have said time and again that you dont want that discussion dragged into other sections of the forum, a request most forum members have complied with.
     
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    Wolf https://youtube.com/@StudioWatchwolf

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    ... some of whom also have a talent for self-parody :smile:
     
  5. Wolf

    Wolf https://youtube.com/@StudioWatchwolf

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    Again, yes; but this time with rules references. So Line of Fire has a particular definition that's directly pertinent to your question:
    And the Cover rules are as you've yourself quoted them:
    The upshot of all this is that although LoF has a "see you; see me" clause
    that doesn't also mean both units can see one another equally, and whilst they may both have LoF, one may have Partial Cover when the other does not. Trying to maintain your own Partial Cover whilst eliminating your opponents' is an important part of the game and can be tricky, especially with larger based models.
     
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  6. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with that. If A draw his LOF from the top right of its base it see something like 80% of B base so no cover for B
    On the opposite site, if B draw his LOF from the top right of its base, I'm not sure if A would have cover. We are very close from the "one third covered" limit. I would need laser and silhouette to be sure.
     
  7. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if i put myself in on thos thread but i need some clarification too on this topic. And that picture describe perfectly the scenario we faced while playng.
    The edge of a building cover a part of the enemy model, for his entire height but not wide. If the base is covered at least for 1/3 of his figure is considered in cover. The line of isght to determine this 1/3 is not the center of the enemy model drawing the line, but any point of his base, correct?
    For isntance i will post a pic to be more clear (i'm assuming that A is tryng to shoot to B): drawing the line like the purple one say that B has cover, but, even drawing the line like the blue one is legal so (more or less) that portion is not 1/3 so B is not under cover, right?

    [​IMG]
     
  8. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    LoF can be drawn from anywhere in the trooper's front arc, so yes it's valid to use the blue line and deny B's cover.
     
  9. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Correct, it is also important to remember that LoF can be drawn from any height for the silhouette too.
     
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    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the clarification!
     
  11. daboarder

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    worht noting that for an active trooper declaring the move skill LOF can be drawn from any point on their base due to their 360 LOF
     
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