UHLAN FIXING - DISCUSSION

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  1. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Id still recomend not running a fusilier hacker and paramedic, I think the list gets more out of having 2 Fusilier FOs in the link and grabbing a Tdoc or a KHD

    Neoterran Capitaline Army
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    GROUP 1 10
    BLACK FRIAR (Albedo, Biometric Visor L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
    UHLAN HMG, Feuerbach / . (2 | 99)
    CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    FUSILIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    HEXA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 27)
    DEVA Lieutenant (Sensor) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    GROUP 23
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    GARUDA Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 22)
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  2. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    Sixth Sense Hackers are good, so I'd always have the Fusilier Hacker in the Fireteam if I can now.

    Not that I don't agree with you on the KHD.
     
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  3. Thaddius

    Thaddius Well-Known Member

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    PanO was a mistake.
     
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  4. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    When they are wip 12 and bts0 and you can screw them but lock9ng down parts of the fireteam that are in lof or the fireteam gets rorted activating the hacker or not being able to activate the hacker due to AROs to other fireteam members nah i dont rate em
     
  5. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    It's true I have certainly regretted bringing a vastly superior Celestial Guard hacker in an aggressive Crane link. It would be bad to lose your 5 man bonus without someone having to fight through a ML.
     
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    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    I've found that I'm glad of ignoring Stealth a LOT more often than that becomes a problem.
     
  7. lord farfhocel

    lord farfhocel Well-Known Member

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    @daboarder @the huanglong I recently got punished for using a fus hack in an aggressive link, I must confess that the fact that I got away with them for so long may be atributed to my opponents not aro ing my defensive pieces in response to me activating supportware. Lesson painfully learned.
    1Also what is the viability of lgl in a link? Spec fire used to break a link but now I did not find any info about spec fire or intuitive fire breaking link. Are they useable? Also in context of let's say wu ming in a link with chain rifle... Please help... 2 finally I thought TAGs ignored -2 to ph in h th without a weapon yet could find it... and does a mech fist have any other attributes other than Nor mal ammo? 3 And just checking but tags and re ms don't go prone right? Might sound silly but couldn't find any rule reference.
     
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  8. xammy

    xammy Keeper of Random Facts and Strong Opinions

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    Models without a CC weapon use the bare-handed rule. Spec fire in link allow you to apply BS mods but not the burst mod.
     
  9. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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  10. TanakoSkyler22

    TanakoSkyler22 Varunan Diplomat

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    Not sure why this thread is a thing. Granted Uhlan is expensive but she is in a good spot already, and not sure what else could be added to her.
     
  11. lord farfhocel

    lord farfhocel Well-Known Member

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    Yeah well it started as me spitballing rules for improving uhlan and with the imput and feedback from so many d00dz, it turned into an ad hoc "intervention". And because of them i got a working list with uhlan and I have taken my NCA off eBay, getting our love another go.

    Thank you guys... It was great to do this
     
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  12. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    They can be very good, but are probably better in Acontecimento than in NCA.

    The reason for that is that Acon has AVA Total on his Regulars; even if you take 1 or 2 casualties, you can still field enough backup troops to form a 5-man link when you want to use the grenade launcher. Speculative Fire really likes having full 5-man link bonuses.

    It's doable with Fusiliers, but with only AVA5, you may lose a Fusilier or two before you get a chance to Spec Fire. In this case, the Fusiliers will miss having that +3 BS for a full 5-man link. This means you kind of need to protect all your Fusiliers in case you want to use the LGL, which may not be the most efficient use of them as a whole.
     
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  13. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I'd never take anything that encouraged me to spend orders moving my squishy fusilier link closer the enemy. PanO has the great spec shots but fusiliers aren't one of them. If you want to bomb things, take any of these Uhlan lists and make the Uhlan a squalo.

    I would have said the the reason is that Acon has Monty Knight
     
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  14. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    No argument about the Montessa Knight being great.

    I don't have enough faith in Speculative Shot to make it a major point investment, so adding in the multi-talented Regular Hacker/LGL is nice for me since it's a cheap, versatile investment.

    But if you want it to be a focus of the list, the Montessa's great.
     
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  15. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    While I've had some fun experiments with the Squalo HGL, LGLs just aren't for me.
    (4 | 1) to get a 9/12 BS Attack vs a PH-3 in 16" has been a unsatisfying investment every time. Although I'd blame that on the HMG/MSR/ML in the same link having anti synergy.
    Maybe the way to go here is an aggressive LI Link (i.e. around a Regular Spitfire) to get in Range. Unfortunately both Fusiiers and Regulars lack a Dire Foe to make that desireable while OS don't get the choice to take a LGL.

    A Grenade Krakot or two are a staple in my Vanilla lists tho.
     
  16. lord farfhocel

    lord farfhocel Well-Known Member

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    Greetings from the NCAS Santo Bostria de la Gencon, where a small force is returning from Dawn to Conciliation Prima, after a confrontation with the sword of Allah...
    So... played 200 pts decapitation vs hassassin bahran;
    2x auxilla, Link fus,fus,fus para,fus ML, fus Lt, machinist and uhlan (9 orders) vs
    Ayyar, muyib lgl lt, 2x walking e/marat, fiday, ghulam link, doc, sniper, hmg, Leyland (2 imp 2 irritable 8reg)

    UhLan was satisfactory though very unlucky (lost 2 wounds), my opponent was great with gazing, but deployed link poorly (I went second). Multiple templates worked really well, target saturation.
    I managed to punish and exploit my opponents mistakes and tabled him by 2nd round... uhlan should be fun for 300+, for 200 it is rather limiting... enjoyed feedback trolling at bs 18 vs -12... ;)
     
  17. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    Sounds like a good game.

    I don't think the Uhlan is a great choice for most low points games (you'll get basically the same or better performance out of a Swiss HMG for fewer points) but as you've seen it's still solid.
     
  18. lord farfhocel

    lord farfhocel Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, next time I will drop uhlan and machinist, and take Swiss hmg, black friar and trauma PALBOT. ..same points better ballance
     
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  19. daboarder

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    Sounds like you did well.

    heres the thing about PanO TAGs, its only the 5th wound that matters....

    Ok thats a gross simplification stolen from the black lotus. but the point is, losing 2 Wounds on a 3 wound TAG is negligble, particularly if youve done that taking out anything on the opponents tema that can hurt you. because then you are still active and just as dangerous as ever to their diminished forces.

    Secondly, You can heal STR Back from 1 W to 2 or 3 Ws and if you have re-rolls and a few orders thats not a terrible idea, particularly if you a laughing as you just undo the effort your opponent has spent multiple orders achieving.

    Thirdly, If your TAG does go down and your machinist is still up dont sweat it, healing it from UNCx2 will give you a 1 W TAG back, and healing TAGs is pretty easy provided you keep your Comm Tokens in reserve.
     
  20. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Keep hte machinist, Isolation and IMM-2 are things for HI as well
     
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