The fact is that a randomly chosen legal list can beat something that was carefully crafted if the player skill is skewed between the two. Your list building can help you do better, but only to a certain extent, and most likely you would be better off spending more time working on your core gameplay, e.g. tactical decision making during your turn, good deployment, not wasting orders. Nuanced statements do not make for good pithy one liners, however.
Thanks All! Especially evil people with lists... always good to look at a problem through someone else's MSV ... I find it really hard to ditch my own "must haves" like: deva sensor let, deva spit ms v2, 2 fo auxilla, ehh thanks. ..also found it hard to keep my missile launcher Alivery in the link... maybe bad luck... go a go to sleep now and come back tomorrow. It's 0240hrs in the UK and my wife is going to tear me 11 new assholes for O-12 (kinda like 7 new assholes for Khorne but.... 50% worse ) Goodnight and good luck to me ;p
Its partly my fault it gets tiring to be told time and time again that units arent worth taking, that they are bad or that single tactics and units on the opponents part make them useless. Especially when it has been shown time and time again that such ideas are bunk by both myself and others. when the reality is so often that players do need to get better at the game and better at using their units rather than just complain about the unit choice or netlist. Is the opinion of "Get Good" entirely valid? not really, but there are some merits to some of what it entails, namely that asking "how to use a tool" and then actually listening to the response, is often going to do more for a struggling player than just complaining about the tool in question or telling the player to just play something else will. @lord farfhocel Has actually been very good at accepting advice on tactics and not taking offence at my less than cordial tone (at least it was to start) so hats off to you mate, proved me wrong there.
3 pages already and nobody mentioned what I think is the main (the only?) problem with Uhlan: it's a straight downgrade of Cutter which, granted, saves you 16/0.5. Bickering about S6/S7 value aside, I don't think discussing possibility to give it its own niche is unwarranted. But hey, next time someone says "PanO players want cool things", I will point towards this thread and say "apparently they don't" :P
TBH as far my experience with NCA goes, you shoul switch one Buleteer and one CSU places ;) (so both groups have 1 CSU and 1 Bulleteer).
Well problem is that ATM. (before Varuna) you cannot have Cutter AND Fusilier 5 man link team supported by 3 Fugazi ;P Plus NCA already have Swiss which gives enough competition to Uhlan :)
Hi I am back! My kids just gave us the all hands on deck treatment. ;) sorry for out of control autocorrect! Comparing uhlan to cutter is hard, because cutter seems to be still a WIP. It has no secondary gun (hailing from times of just hmg+flamers on tags) in times of heavy pistol galore. So I thinK that until Varuna gives us remastered chasseur... comparisons seem a bit premature
Deva sensor seems ideal.. cuz 1 its WIP is huge in getting firs turn, 2 sensor gives him a unique use for a "free" sensor or suppression, 3 "almost"" 2 wounds Plus i think if one doesn't go to exploit NCA's goodies, one might be better off in vanilla. ;) @daboarder Thanks man! We all get miffed and wires get crossed. Infinity has amazing plurality in its community, many many greatly experienced players with solid advice. So veteran noobs like me can really benefit from it. (Been in the game since N1 launched yet work and family never let me play often than once a month at best)... #FOR EVER NOOB (electronic music in the background)
if you are taking deva sensor may as well make it your Lt and use the order to sensor, with NWI they are basically as tough as you can get and not easy to assainate
Especially behind wall of Fusiliers, Fugazis and Auxbots. Plus NCA can usually give opponent enough priority targets (Swiss, TAG, Hexas).
This is a list I've used recently with somewhat success using the Uhlan: I-Love-Uhlanus-v2 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) UHLAN HMG, Feuerbach / . (2 | 99) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. () GROUP 2 6 1 AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) AUXILIA Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) HEXA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 27) CSU Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) CSU (Specialist Operative) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) 5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army As you can see, plenty of orders for the Uhlan to roam arround (with all the ARO pieces in the same team to give him all the orders they can), another link team of CSU for button pushing action. Those Auxilias are for flank defense or midfield deny, depending on the mission and how it goes during the game, and the Hexa has only one purpose, killing enemy hackers who pose a threat to the Uhlan.
From outside PanO the Uhlan might seem okay but he really suffers the Orc problem. His only real trademark is the Feuerbach something I've only ever used for AROs. Lets face it, against most targets a HMG in -3 with 4 dice on 9s isn't much worse than the Feuerbach's 2 dice on 12s. Camo lets you easily cover ground for more favourable Rangebands anyway. Markerstate for defense is a lot less great when you neither get a DTW nor a +3 ARO Option within 16". The one thing a Feuerbach is pretty good for aside from AROs is to crack heavy TAGs. But lets be honest about how much you run into those. I wanted to like the Uhlan, it's a great model and BS 15 with MODs is theoretically top of the line. He also worked just fine for me every time I ran him. Overall I'd consider the Uhlan inferior to the Tik, which unfortunately puts him into a bad light. In NCA a Swiss + Bulleteer/Hexa/Garuda simply gives more options for the same asking price.
There's also the point that most other TAGs have EXP mode on their MultiHMGs. Meaning that uniqueness of this tool is diluted, something to contribute to "Cutter's little brother" problem.
Agreed, I also found him lackluster. A lack of close range weapon seems his biggest weakness. Camo and long range preference do seem a bit at oddds with one another. Price is not helping as well.
When playing NCA i've loved using the Uhlans, between camo and 2shot AP/DA taking out TAGs is easy. It's a long range piece for sure, but that's just it's role. (It's also great at taking out TR bots too due to the mods) In vanilla, the cutter is superior, however if I need the extra points, i'm okay downgrading from the cutter. But then that's what vanilla is - you end up finding that balance between the best unit available and what you can afford.
2 Dice vs 1 EXP ARO also feels a bit too swingy for my taste. On the plus side all our other TAGs are in a good place, which is often not the case for other Factions. So having one TAG that suffers unfavourable overlap is not a tragedy (compared to Orcs, Knights, Bolts...) the Uhlan's case is more of an inconvenience compared to some of the truly lackluster niche troops elsewhere.
Well, what I meant is that as Uhlan, you can fall back onto FB in ARO (still not convinced using it over HMG in active), but other TAGs can do roughly the same with Multi. For that two reasons (see active turn remark) I don't think having FB is really Uhlan's strong point in comparison with the rest or something.
