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How do you use your Kanren?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Furiat, Apr 9, 2018.

  1. Furiat

    Furiat Mandarin

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    I have a problem. I can't convince myself to use kanren, both in vanilla and ISS. It's strange because I often look at nomad moran with envy, even though, when looking at stats/equipment, kanren seems to be more versitile. Every loadout has something going for it, but it all ends when it comes to listbuilding. He always loses to guilang in vanilla and to garuda/sforza/more kuang shi in ISS. So there is a question. How do you implement kanrens into your lists?
     
  2. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    KHD Kanren is pretty darn good. Lacks the suprise factor of a Ninja KHD but, on the other hand, its providing its order to the order pool. The monofilament weapon can still be deadly if you can get close to any multi wound target.
     
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  3. St.Craft

    St.Craft Active Member

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    In most cases like areil denied piece, mad traps loadout quiete something, 5 minis in 8 inches range have a big impact at your oponent, KHD quite good if your meta contains many hachers, AHD good against hi, rem, tag meta. Best thing about kanren, killing him very difficult with good deployement in good cases opponent use 6-8 orders to kill him(2-4 to move, 1-4 to kill him (to miss at holoecho, 1 hit he survive, andkanren outroll freaking sukeul commando!)) And he is quite capable rambo piss, in most cases because opponent dont expect this.
    P.S Sorry for my bad english >_>
     
  4. PreacherSaul

    PreacherSaul Active Member

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    Plus you can make your KHD dude look like a minelayer and sneak a Guilang in.
     
  5. St.Craft

    St.Craft Active Member

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    Kanren minelayer place sniffer
     
  6. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    ^This^, sniffers don't go down as camo markers so you're fooling no-one.

    In addition, even if the Kanren had some sort of mines Holoprojector doesn't let you alter the profile you'd have to tell your opponent you still have 3 mines, meaning the nearby camo marker can't be one
     
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  7. PreacherSaul

    PreacherSaul Active Member

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    Aaaaaah sorry, I thought it went down as a token. So are mines the only deployable kit that are camo?

    Also why can't you change profile? Level one and 2 stack don't they? And you just holo as a dude with 2 mines. Or am I in need of some reading?
     
  8. St.Craft

    St.Craft Active Member

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    i think you right here, dont remember any other deployable piece
     
  9. REND

    REND Well-Known Member

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    My favourite list with a Kanren used the FO profile to deploy as a Hsien HMG to help cover for a Hac Tao killer hacker (and a daofei spitfire Lt). The intention was to lure my opponent in to attempt to hack him or believe I had a serious MSV threat on the table. There was smoke in the list as well so the impression was fairly convincing.

    As it turned out, my opponent didn't fall for it but the Kanren and Hac tao did succeed in a co-ordinated CC to rescue my Daofei from the clutches of an umbra samaritan. It was an entirely satisfying game just for that.

    The Kanren is a thoroughly vexing piece to list build with as I almost never make full use of their abilities. However, in spite of that, their toolkit is so varied and useful that I like including them for flexibility and tactical choice. Holo-echoes at the very least make for excellent pieces to proc mines, perimeter weapons and provide an interesting option when dealing with total reaction or suppressive fire pieces.
     
  10. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I'd like the sword upgraded to AP+DA or something. It's the focus of the model but it does such middling chip damage.

    Hurrr durrr
     
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  11. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Forward Deployment L2 + MadTraps is never a bad thing. MadTraps halfway up the table are really annoying to deal with.

    It's also pretty doable to take a regular Kanren with a very obvious lieutenant just to obfuscate it, but that works better in ISS where you have higher AVA for holoprojector.
     
  12. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Mines have the Concealed trait, which means they are deployed as S2 camo markers, most other Deployables don't have this trait.

    The Holoprojector L1 skill lets you copy another troop profile and/or weapon loadout, it does not permit to alter that profile.
     
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  13. REND

    REND Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but aren't all Kanren armed with monofilament CCW? Or were you talking about the Hac tao I mentioned in my post?
     
  14. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I spaced out and thought I was in the Guijia thread sorry.
     
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  15. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    As to the original question, something I wrote a while ago about using Kanren.

    The base profile has a fairly unique ability to clog the midfield with 5 models; 3 holoechoes and two Madtraps. He’s a competent fighter thanks to surprise shot/surprise attack, but this profile lives for the day that he gets to finish off something juicy with his monofilament CCW after it has been frozen in place with his Madtraps. Opponents who choose to delay AROs against him for fear of copping a full burst of combi/BSG to the face on a normal roll will quickly find themselves in the threat range of the Madtraps. On the other hand, the Madtrap profile gets little mileage out of holoprojector level 1 however, as he would have to sacrifice his forward deployment level 2 (8 inches, an orders worth of distance) just to convincingly portray a handful of niche Madtrap profiles that no one really takes on their own. For other Kanren profiles without Madtraps who can impersonate a wider selection of Yu Jing profiles convincingly, I still don’t think it’s worth giving up 8 inches to occasionally trick new or casual players. That said, on these profiles holoprojector level 1 absolutely must be used! If you have a KHD or AHD, hide it by pretending to be a forward observer. If you have a forward observer, disguise it as an AHD to scare off heavy infantry and bait KHDs into wasting orders. Then, when your regular opponents start to suspect the ruse, you can mix it up a bit by “disguising” your KHD as a KHD. I believe this kind of profile level trickery is a lot harder to spot and manage than some of the grand ruses you see suggested elsewhere.
     
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  16. Furiat

    Furiat Mandarin

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    Thanks guys. I'll try to use him for some midfield supremacy. The only thing that was ever caught by madtraps was foxtrot, but local meta is not very tag heavy.
     
  17. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    I almost always end up taking the KHD version in my Public Security Section 9 lists, since The Major is a Ninja Assault Hacker.

    Though I suppose you could occasionally swap the Ninja AHD for the KHD and put the AHD on the Kanren instead. You gotta find a way to hide another 8 points, though.
     
  18. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I like the Mad Trap option alot. It tends to waste orders and also gives me something to clear mines with too.
     
  19. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Clear the mines with your holo echoes, dude. All profiles have them and they grow back!
     
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  20. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    That's what I was referring to.
     
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