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LoF for unconscious Troupers

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Lyncxyx, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. Lyncxyx

    Lyncxyx New Member

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    Hey guys,
    I am pretty new to this game and have a question about Line of Fire.

    It came up during a game when we checked wether a Holoprojector would get his free holoechos at the beginning of the enemy turn. The (holoprojector) model had Line of Fire to an enemy model (unconscios), which he just shot down during the turn. And here the problem started: Does the unconscious model have Line of Fire to the Holoprojector? Or more basically: do unconscious models have Line of Fire at all?

    Implications are mostly about getting into camo/holo state.

    I looked up the rules for Line of Fire, I checked the rules about the unconscios state and I couldn't find anything about the model loosing Line of Fire as it gets unconscious. This seemed pretty wrong.

    So can anyone give me advise, where this is ruled? Or is it intended that unconscious troupers still watch over the battlefield?

    Thanks.
     
  2. C0MR4DE

    C0MR4DE Malfunctioning Unidron

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    No. Unconscious trooper do not block recamo nor holo.
     
  3. Lyncxyx

    Lyncxyx New Member

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  4. Whyrocknodie

    Whyrocknodie Well-Known Member

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    I suspect it's considered a common sense ruling that unconscious troopers don't have a line of fire, rather than an explicit function of being in the unconscious state.
     
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  5. toaster

    toaster Modelling Madman

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    It's in the terminology, 'Null' State if a model is in a 'Null' state then it doesn't do anything.

    Robert
     
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  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Not correct, Possessed troops are in a Null state, yet they have and can draw Line of Fire.
     
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  7. toaster

    toaster Modelling Madman

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    Oops my bad.
     
  8. momo234

    momo234 Well-Known Member

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    I agree that it is probably assumed to be a common sense issue. When writing the rule set, I doubt anyone thought that they would have to clarify that an UNCONSCIOUS model could or couldn't see something. It may not be anywhere in the rules, or it may be in some obscure place that will turn up at a random time. Either way, I think it is a great stretch to think that an unconscious model would count as having an active LoF.
     
  9. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    The problem is, it's not about LoF being "active" or something, it can either be drawn or not, and it's mutual thing unless one of the models is behind another, which is IIRC an explicit thing.

    This is a curious find.
     
  10. macfergusson

    macfergusson Van Zant is my spirit animal.

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    Null state in and of itself simply says "does not generate orders" but we do tend to assign more implications to it than are actually stated in the rules. This bit combined with the fact that LoF is not tied in any way to being able to Activate (per Order or ARO) does make this a very odd gap in the rules. I think this is another spot where "Common sense applies" has to be factored in.
     
  11. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I'd agree, though regardless CB should still faq it.
     
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  12. macfergusson

    macfergusson Van Zant is my spirit animal.

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    Definitely would be nice to have an official statement on all these little issues, yeah. The FAQ document is nice, but it doesn't seem to keep up with the community's ability to find things to be confused about.
     
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  13. Whyrocknodie

    Whyrocknodie Well-Known Member

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    I doubt that the question 'do unconscious troopers have a line of sight' is a frequently asked question, you know. Or at least, I hope it isn't. A faq required for questions of that nature could end up quite unwieldy, although the upside of that is you could use it as a CC weapon.
     
  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    The rules just need a re-write, tbh.
     
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