Monofilament mines and nanoscreen

K1 is an ammunition coming from a BS weapon in a BS attack so obviously NS works. Monofilament is documented, outside of mines, only in CC weapons so even in that case NS wouldn't work. Comparison not fitting.

Again the whole problem hinges on "if I had to make a guess". I don't make guesses and that's why my answer to your question is: I haven't got the foggiest. Rules may have issues of all kinds: intended to unbalance, unintended due to (as you speculate) RPG origin, forgetting the mechanic... whatever it may be, so long as one follows the rules as written there will be no problem. You know how it works, you can predict the outcome and if you don't like the way it plays you can skip a version (like I did in N4). In this way there is no confusion, no bickering and everybody can enjoy the game as intended because there is tangible evidence that it was intended that way since it was written.

All the rest is like a talk show, on Monday, discussing the football matches happened on Sunday... (I don't watch either)

 

You can call it whichever way you like, stand the fact that it provides a -3MOD to BS attacker and +3MOD to Save roll (so it's not an ARM bonus). This mechanic is the same of a partial cover. The main difference is that it activates on BS Attack (partial cover is valid only against BS attack et similia like FO, Discover etc). Since nanoscreen activates on BS attack (which implies DT from Chain rifle, Chain colt and flamethowers) it doesn't get nullified by all templates that represent a stream of something (fuel or bullets). The matter here is: is the small teardrop template for mines a real mechanic (stream of...) or a borrowed mechanic (I need the template to measure "distance" and works limiting too)? Because in the second instance (mine is not a BS Attack) nanoscreen does not work.

My hyperbole was to signify that RAI is (almost)never right, while RAW has the backing of the rules that justifies the result.

 

I guess we're waiting for some "divine" intervention. I think I will consider mines as non BS weapons in the meantimes, communicating at the beginning of the match this interpretation.

 

As you can see it's not quite something that was forgotten. When needed and intended, it is explicitly written so the other mines are not BS Attacks because it's not explicitly said. I know it's complex to reconcile, but RAW is difficult to argue upon... RAI can be argued on all day just for the sake of breathing air out

 

Brave AI has an interesting take:

and ends "while a Chain rifle (which is a Direct Template BS Weapon) does".

It is visible how the wording changed from a "Partial Cover" to explicitly tying it to BS Attack. Nanoscreen intended as partial cover for someone that can't have it to explicitly limiting it to BS weapons

 

I did some digging and found out that in N4 mines were openly classified as "not a BS Weapon".
In FAQ 1.2 it reads:
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and in FAQ 1.7 is repeated:


This was no longer necessary in N5 since Intuitive attack is done on WIP. The classification is shifted on the object that does the Intuitive Attack: if it is a BS Weapon then it activates nanoscreen, if it is a mine or a Crazykoala (it even gets in CC by movement) it does not

 

I did some digging and found out that in N4 mines were openly classified as "not a BS Weapon".
In FAQ 1.2:
https://assets.infinitythegame.net/downloads/faqs/en/v1.2/faqs.pdf (see page 6 right after title "Types of weapons")
and in FAQ 1.7 is repeated:
https://assets.infinitythegame.net/downloads/faqs/en/v1.7/faqs.pdf (see page 7 right after title "Types of weapons")

This was no longer necessary in N5 since Intuitive attack is done on WIP. The classification is shifted on the object that does the Intuitive Attack: if it is a BS Weapon then it activates nanoscreen, if it is a mine or a Crazykoala (it even gets in CC by movement) it does not.

 

I apologise for the double post, the forum is giving a lot of problems these days.

 

I have another addition to the matter at hand.
In N4 (Oct-2020) the picture of mines effect radius was this:


now CB decided to update the picture in N5 showing this:



The projections of the "shadow" on the total cover piece are not the same for the 2 versions. This is an indication that the small-teardrop template is just a ruler, a borrowed mechanic, for something that in reality does not work like a direct template BS weapon.

 

What I pointed out is the shadow projection which clearly is not done by keeping the template radial with respect to the mine (otherwise you'll obtain the red lines in the N4 picture). What you say doesn't fit the picture since if I could put the "hole" wherever I so choose to obtain better angle, I'd end up with a smaller trigger area.
In other words: in N5 the radius of the trigger area is done by moving the template around the edge of the mine token, keeping it radial. When you need to determine LoS on the other hand, you use the template to determine tangents like in the N5 picture (taken from the wiki, try prolonging the edges around the total cover and see where they end up). In this way you obtain a projection of the mine trigger are that takes into consideration the fact that the mine "can see" from any point along the edge, but the distance is along a circumference of radius (small-teardrop length) + (mine token radius).

Still bearing in mind that the main forum topic is Monofilament mines vs. Nanoshield which was confirmed by rules that a mine does not trigger Nanoshield because a mine is not a BS Weapon (confirmed by N4 FAQ)