Let’s talk about Aleph’s situation in N5.

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Angus, Nov 7, 2025.

  1. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Not likely. While it has a seriously armored torso, the legs are not armored at all - just uniform (except for kneepads). Mobile Brigada has always been the standard, vanilla HI of Corregidor. Add the helmet here -it looks way like an EVAder's faceplate with a semblance of a hood over it. Don't let the MB-issue Multi+LFT it holds fool you.

    Might be a MI, might be a "fake" HI (1 VITA + NWI).

    While I will, likely, end up owning the Nomad half of the set (I play Corregidor, among others), I find the terrain visible in the background to be pretty interesting.

    Still, let's not off-topic this thread too much ;)
     
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  2. Space Ranger

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    I agree that the Nomad is MI. He looks outfitted for space operations too. Like that front part would have another visor come down. Knowing them probably NWI. I still get really irritated that the Sombra is essentially a non-hackable Zhencha (both ARM3 BTS6, 1V+NWI, even almost same skills but one is HI one is MI).
     
  3. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well, supposedly post-Mazebreaker Corregidor is meant to fight differently. Meaning we might see significant shuffling of profiles.
    Since my local Corregidor player has recently labelled Sombra as "unusable - too expensive" I wouldn't be surprised to see Sombras redone.
     
  4. VonKrolok

    VonKrolok Well-Known Member

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    and hopefully so we will see some on the Aleph side. I really hope we won't see Dakini in this box, I would like a Dasyu but also retouched in the profile and what about a VH?
     
  5. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I guess if CB thought that Aleph should have a vehicle, they would have given it one already. Not even all the vanillas have one (and not all sectorials).

    As to Dakini - the box will need basic line infantry / cheerleaders - traditionally there were 3 of them in each half of the starter box. The "current" Dakini are Op: Coldfront-era, later repacked into (still available) OSS Action Pack.

    I'd - pretty conservatively - expect them to get redone (maybe even recycled, but I'd doubt CB would be reusing these exact models) as the core for the new starter's Aleph half. For if not Dakini, then who would be the line infantry cheerleader, the counterpart to the inevitable Alguaciles we're about to see in the Corregidor half of it...?

    I mean, I definitely do not expect the box to be a Steel Phalanx starter, we've been through that in Op: Blackwind.

    Of course, there is a possiblity we'll see a new, 3rd sectorial for Aleph coming in that box. So far, however, I haven't seen any piece of news indicating that to be the case. So I rate this possibility, as of now, as low.

    Well. I'm going to sit down, wait and see what the future is about to bring us.
     
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  6. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    There's a possibility for either a new troop or more Deva. Dakini are still available in the online store. Usually troops are no longer available by now. Especially if it's coming out in only a few months. There's only two Deva available. The Spitfire and Hacker.
     
  7. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Both good points. However, look at the point cost and the usual composition of a starter.

    Certainly neither is set in stone, but:
    • we have Asura in the preview. An Asura - currently - starts at 58 points (non-Lt Spitfire, Lt options are more expensive). That's over a 1/3 of the more-or-less standard 150pts army in the starter with the 24x36 board.
    • if you add 3 Dakini, they start at 13pts (basic rifle variants), for 39pts.
    • if you decide to add Devas, they start at 20pts (again, basic rifle variants), so 3 of them would be 60pts instead.
    So, assuming the points cost don't change, you are at 97pts with Dakini, or 118 with Devas. 53 pts to go vs. 32 pts to go,and still 3 troop slots to fill.

    Given that a typical layout of a starter is 3 Line Infantry, 1 Heavy Infantry, 1 Skirmisher (Camo Infiltrator), 1 Combat Jumper and one other model, we'd need these Skirmisher, Combat Jumper and "other" slots. Current OSS Combat Jumper is Garuda, starting at 18pts, and a classic infiltrator would be a Naga (starting at 24pts), so 42pts together. With Devas, that's already 10pts over the budget, with Dakini, we still have 11pts to spend on the "other" troop.

    Of course, this is not taking into account that there will be - typically - 2-3 new units in the starter, so we might get something that allows us to fit 3 models into these roles within the budget.
    And/or the existing models may have their profiles tweaked to lower the cost.
    And/or the entire set might be worth more than 150pts.

    That being said, the most recent Op: Sandtrap (picking it, because it is the only N5-era starter around) has Shindenbutai at 149pts (possibly a little more, depending on how you interpret certain models) and Kestrel at 145pts (again, could be tweaked a bit with the profiles to bring it closer to 150pts).
    For comparison, the late N4 era Steel Phalanx starter from Op: Blackwind clocks in at 144pts (again, with some flexibility, and I might be wrong a point here or there) today.


    I agree, that's guesstimating things based on what we've already seen - CB can bring us a surprise.

    I also agree that Aleph Operations is difficult to build a starter for - given their high cost-per-model - especially if Asura is involved. The first Aleph starter (back in N2 era, so 6-model-box) was, IIRC, close to 200pts in the age when those starters were typically ~130pts. Combined Army had a similar problem.
     
  8. VonKrolok

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    Also, by their own admission, Aleph was left behind for Human Sphere. So VH is up in the air, no pun intended. Also you can change the sculpt of a mini as much as you want, but a trooper with a rifle is still the same miniature. Dakini was changed radically from N3 model especially for gluing reasons (like rebots). Now there is little to change in the design and there are 2 or 3 threads for Aleph that scream for some novelty. Obviously there is no limit to human stupidity, like Einstein so eloquently said, but bringing Dakini to a new box (still assuming it will be OSS... which was said, but not cast in stone... remember some 3 sectorial? became 5 the day after...) is literally trying to obtain a different result by doing the same thing over and over again (that or the Universe knows no bound...). Also: K2 is jump troop in vAleph
     
  9. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Indeed, vAleph has an (irregular) K2 varaint as a Parachutist option (not a Combat Jumper). Still, at 18pts, so on par with a Garuda.
    Substituting Garuda with a K2 gives us nothing points-wise, and adds another two rules to the starter set - Irregular and Parachutist (unless the Corregidor is going to lose their iconic Combat Jumper, the Hellcat - they do have a Parachutist option in form of the Tomcat).

    Not outside the realm of possiblity, but IMO unlikely.

    To be honest, in my opinion the Asura is the problem: simply too expensive to be included in a 150pts starter list. Kick her out, and you get much more space to maneuver. Suddenly even the 20pts Devas as Line Infantry don't look that bad.

    On the VH front - I honestly doubt it. Haqq was also left behind for Human Sphere (IIRC, as were the Nomads?), yet they got their VH same tiem as everybody else, except for CA (and CA got Skyhound with the NW release). Of course, per analogy, Aleph could gain a VH if they get a new sectorial.

    As always, we'll see.
     
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