[N5] Metachemistry : Winner's Circle - Attack on Atlanta 2025

Here's an index of the interview with the winner of the Attack on Atlanta 2025 tournament on the Metachemistry podcast.

Tournament site:
https://infinityuniverse.com/games/infinity/its/tournament/31403a028-attack-on-atlanta-2025



Episode 109: Winner's Circle - Attack on Atlanta 2025

Fast summary by AI (not read)
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#### List used by Lobo
The tournament missions were “Unmasking”, “Supremacy”, “Decapitation”, “Capture and Protect”, and “Frostbite”. Lobo lost the initiative draw in all five games, which meant he had to play second in every game. However, his list was designed to survive an opponent's first turn, enabling him to win despite this disadvantage.

Lobo brought two lists to the tournament, but mainly used a list he calls his “main list”. This list included:

Main list
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GROUP 1 7 / 2 / 2
ÁYYĀR (BS Attack [+1B]) AP Rifle, E/Mitter / Viral Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 40)
ÁYYĀR (BS Attack [+1B]) AP Rifle, E/Mitter / Viral Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 40)
GHULAM Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
GHULAM (Lieutenant) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
BARID (Hacker, Hacking Device) Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
BARID (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity (-3)]) Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
McMURROUGH Chain Rifle(+1B), Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP + DA CC Weapon(PS=3). (0 | 27)
MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 6)
KAMEEL (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 |

GROUP 21
RAFIQ REMOTE (Triangulated Fire) Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 13)
SHUJAE (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer, E/M Mine / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
SHUJAE (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer, E/M Mine / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
SHAYTANIYAH REMOTE (BS Attack ) Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
ASAWIRA AP Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CC Weapon(PS=5). (1.5 | 38)
MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 6)

3.5 SWC | 300 Points

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Strategy anti-Nourkias :

- **Popularity of Nourkias**: Lobo noted that several players were using Nourkias, a powerful model from the Combined Army faction, capable of swiftly traversing the battlefield thanks to its Super-Jump skill. Nourkias was a popular choice among players due to its ability to quickly engage the enemy and disrupt opposing plans.

- **Counter-Strategies**: To counter Nourkias, Lobo used a combination of EM mines and jammer to create zones of denial, slowing the enemy advance. The EM mines, in particular, were crucial in isolating and immobilizing Nourkias, leaving him vulnerable to attack.

- **Game Effect**: Although Nourkias is a formidable model, Lobo was able to neutralize him by forcing his opponents to navigate through dangerous areas, reducing their ability to make full use of Nourkias' skills.

 

Lobo0705 shared his experience and thoughts on Discord after participating in a tournament in Atlanta, where he lost the Lieutenant's Jet in all five games, forcing him to play second every time. Here's a quick translation in organized text format.

### Lobo's Strategy and Reflections:

- **Playing second**: Lobo anticipated that he might have to play second and so prepared a list suitable for this situation. He believes that many factions are at a disadvantage when playing second in N5, but considers Hassassin Bahram (HB) to be one of the best factions to play second.

- **Faction assessment**: He believes that Yu Jing is also a faction capable of performing well when playing second. The discussion points out that the ability to play well as a second is a key factor in evaluating factions in N5, unlike N4 where the emphasis was more on offensive capabilities.
He believes that Haqqislam's combination of air vehicles, super jumping monsters and TAGs means that their offensive toolboxes are excellent almost everywhere.

- **Turrets and operating pieces**: Lobo mentions that even deploying just one or two turrets can make a difference, even if they're quickly destroyed, as it can cost the opponent precious orders to manage this threat.
He notes that increasing the number and speed of exploitation pieces changes the dynamics of the game. For example, units like Go-Pods are much faster and tougher than older options like the UFK, making them excellent pieces for clearing ORAs.

- **Defense and ORA**: The discussion touches on the importance of setting up ORA (automatic reaction) pieces to counter fast-moving units such as Tr bots, flash bots, warcor, etc. However, it's crucial not to expose your units too much, as snipers can easily eliminate them. Lobo prefers to use units in camouflage or hidden deployment for a more reliable defense.

- **List choices**: For his Group 2, Lobo prefers units such as Yaogat, Long Ya, Gudan, and Beast Hunter depending on the factions played, although he recognizes that certain combinations are not possible in all game formats. He believes that the Vanilla and WB formats offer better defensive options.

 

This detailed version of a conversation found on Discord summarizes Papa Grizzles' strategic choices and the reactions of other participants to his game list.

**Papa Grizzles** shared his Hassassin review and list for the “Attack on Atlanta” tournament, where he placed 12th out of 56. He explained his strategic choices and the reasons behind the composition of his team.

### List Papa Grizzles : "A good day to die soft"

GROUP 11
BARID (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity (-3)]) Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
BARID (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity (-3)]) Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
GHULAM (Hacker, Hacking Device) Rifle, Light Shotgun ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
RAGIK (Hacker, Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Carbonite (PS=6)]) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Boarding Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 25)
BOKHTAR FTO (Lieutenant) Red Fury / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon(PS=7). (1.5 | 46)
ÁYYĀR (BS Attack [+1B]) AP Rifle, E/Mitter / Viral Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 40)
FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
KAMEEL (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)
SHAYTANIYAH REMOTE (BS Attack ) Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mine / Silenced Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)

GROUP 23 / 2 / 2
SHUJAE (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer, E/M Mine / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
SHUJAE (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer, E/M Mine / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
NADHIR Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
MUTTAWI'AH Boarding Shotgun, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
MUTTAWI'AH Boarding Shotgun, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

4 SWC | 300 Points

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### Papa Grizzles comments:

- **On Barids**: He chose two Barids with Killer Hacking Devices to counter Combined Army hacking attacks, and because they're inexpensive but still efficient.
- **On the Flamenspeer**: He's not convinced by the Flamenspeer, preferring weapons that cause more damage when revealed:
“My reasoning is that when I reveal the model and get my gotcha aro, I want it to be as damaging as possible. The Flamenspeer with continuous trait can certainly do damage, but it doesn't have the weight of dice.”
- **Hacking Strategy**: He uses hacking to deal with threats he can't eliminate with gunfire. Barids are used to counter enemy hackers and the other two to lay Spotlight or other shenanigans tactics. Some participants felt there was too much investment in hacking.
- **Faction advantage**: He mentions that VCA is the only faction that fights with an advantage, mainly during the active turn, while the other factions are often tied.
- **Hidden deployment**: He appreciates the hidden deployment of the Shujae and Nadhir, which he finds very effective, especially the Shujae.
- **Impersonation change**: He doesn't like the impersonation change, so concentrates on area denial and mines.

### 2sd List Papa Grizzles : Everything Bagel 2

GROUP 12
BARID (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity (-3)]) Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
BARID (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity (-3)]) Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
GHULAM (Hacker, Hacking Device) Rifle, Light Shotgun ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
ÁYYĀR (BS Attack [+1B]) AP Rifle, E/Mitter / Viral Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 40)
BOKHTAR FTO (Lieutenant) Red Fury / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon(PS=7). (1.5 | 46)
MUYIB (Tactical Awareness, X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, D-Charges ( ) / Kobra Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 22)
RAGIK (Hacker, Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Carbonite (PS=6)]) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Boarding Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 25)
FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mine / Silenced Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
SHAYTANIYAH REMOTE (BS Attack ) Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)

GROUP 23 / 2 / 2
KAMEEL (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)
SHUJAE (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer, E/M Mine / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
SHUJAE (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer, E/M Mine / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
MUTTAWI'AH Boarding Shotgun, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 6)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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The list is specific to these two missions: Frostbite and Supremacy. Here's his comment on it:
“The hidden deployment alone made it viable, the x2 minelayer included automatically." "I think dominating the exclusion zone will be a forgone conclusion if I’m succeeding on all the other objectives. I have 80 points that are relatively hard to remove that can get in there. I’m more worried about controlling the heating units and killing your points.”

 

BG took 14th place out of 56 by securing 3 wins and kindly conceding two losses against the two finalists, he is the first brohaa in the Attack on Atlanta tournament, here are his lists for the Frostbyte, Unmasking, Decapitation, Supremacy, Capture and Protect missions and his commentary rewritten in the third person:

ATL 1-5
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GROUP 1 8 / 2 / 1
NEEMA (Lieutenant [+1 Command Token]) AP Spitfire, Nanopulser / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon(PS=5). (0.5 | 41)
KOSUIL (Engineer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Panzerfaust ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Contender, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
SUKEUL Heavy Machine Gun, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse, SymbioBomb ( | SymbioMate) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15)
KRIIGEL Breaker Combi Rifle, Grenade Launcher, PT: Eraser, PT: Mirrorball / Viral Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 22)
CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mine / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
CUBE JÄGER (Paramedic) Submachine Gun, E/Mitter / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0 | 18)
DIPLOMATIC (Specialist Operative]) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, PT: Eraser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
KAAURI Sentinel (Minelayer) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser(+1B), E/M Mine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11)

GROUP 25
CHAKSA AUXILIAR FTO (Sensor, Baggage) Heavy Flamethrower(PS=5) ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon(PS=7). (0 | 10)
GREIF-OP (Surprise Attack [-3], Impersonation [IMP-2]) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (1 | 20)
TAQEUL (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, PT: Endgame, PT: Mirrorball / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 34)
TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse, SymbioBomb ( | SymbioMate) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15)

3.5 SWC | 300 Points

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ATL 2-2
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GROUP 1 9 / 1 / 1
SUKEUL (Lieutenant, Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Flash Pulse ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 31)
SUKEUL Heavy Machine Gun, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
KOSUIL (Engineer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Panzerfaust ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse, SymbioBomb ( | SymbioMate) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15)
KRIIGEL Breaker Combi Rifle, Grenade Launcher, PT: Eraser, PT: Mirrorball / Viral Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 22)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Contender, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR FTO (Sensor, Baggage) Heavy Flamethrower(PS=5) ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon(PS=7). (0 | 10)
JAAN STAAR Light Shotgun, Shock Mine / Viral Pistol(+1B), Viral CC Weapon(PS=7). (1 | 30)
CUBE JÄGER (Paramedic) Submachine Gun, E/Mitter / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0 | 18)
KAAURI Sentinel (Minelayer) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser(+1B), E/M Mine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11)

GROUP 21
TAQEUL (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, PT: Endgame, PT: Mirrorball / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 34)
TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse, SymbioBomb ( | SymbioMate) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15)
DIPLOMATIC (Specialist Operative]) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, PT: Eraser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
IGAO Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, PT: Mirrorball / Pistol, DA CC Weapon(PS=5). (0.5 | 26)

3.5 SWC | 300 Points

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Jager was very well inspired to have been a paramedic right where you wanted him. The opponents left no openings for him to sneak in and e/mitter things as he dreamed. In any case, he'll try to make Group 1 a CoC kaeltar.

 

**Apache Raider** shared on discord his experience and results after taking part in the “Attack on Atlanta” tournament with Yu Jing's Invincible Army (IA) sub-faction, where he finished in 39th place out of 58 participants. He met some formidable opponents and shared his lists and impressions of his units' performances. Here's the article-format version of his conversation:

### Tournament summary:

- **Rankings and matches**: Apache Raider finished 39th out of 58 with AI. He faced tough opponents: TAK, Nomads, Hassassins, and JSA, with a bye in one round, giving him a technical score of 2-3.

- **List Performance**: He used two different lists, each performing well despite unfavorable dice. The prevalence of AI's mimetism and camouflage abilities dictates more of a defensive stance, but these were very useful, even in unfavorable positions.

Decapitation N5 Tournament Practice

GROUP 12
DĀOYĪNG (Lieutenant [+1 Order], Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
ZHĒNCHÁ (Hacker, Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity]) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Silenced Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, Panzerfaust, Flash Pulse ( | Deployable Repeater) / Silenced Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 31)
ZÚYǑNG (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Machine Gun / Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
ZÚYǑNG Boarding Shotgun, E/Mitter / Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 22)
SHÀNG JÍ AP Heavy Machine Gun ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Boarding Pistol, AP CC Weapon(PS=6). (1.5 | 45)
HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 29)

GROUP 24
MÓWÁNG (NCO) Red Fury, Flammenspeer, Disco Baller / AP Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon(PS=7). (1 | 44)
GŪDǍN (Camouflage [1 Use], Forward Deployment [+4"]) Submachine Gun, Zapper, Shock Mine / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
GŪDǍN (Camouflage [1 Use], Forward Deployment [+4"]) Submachine Gun, Zapper, Shock Mine / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
PANGGULING (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)

6 SWC | 298 Points

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Quick Unmasking List 300

10 2
DĀOYĪNG (Lieutenant [+1 Order], Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
BÌXIÉ MULTI Rifle, Zapper, Flash Pulse / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon(PS=6). (0 | 41)
HÚLÁNG FTO Submachine Gun(+1B), E/Mitter, D-Charges, Disco Baller / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0 | 31)
ZHĒNCHÁ (Hacker, Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity]) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Silenced Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, Panzerfaust, Flash Pulse ( | Deployable Repeater) / Silenced Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 31)
SHÀNG JÍ MULTI Rifle ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Boarding Pistol, AP CC Weapon(PS=6). (0 | 37)
ZÚYǑNG (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Machine Gun / Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
ZÚYǑNG (Paramedic) MULTI Rifle ( | MediKit) / Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 29)
PANGGULING (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)

3.5 SWC | 298 Points

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### Reflections and comments:

- **Unit Performance**: Units like Gudan and Mowang (which is a pseudo 3 Wounds with a friendly baggage bot to reload the cheap flammenspeer) were very effective, winning a close match against the Hassassins on a Decapitation mission.
The Bixie and Hulang combo with another Zuyong in Haris also worked well against the JSA, despite losing due to failed saving throws and a lack of order to beat a Shikami at the end.

- **Challenges Encountered**: The prevalence of mimetism among opponents made it more difficult to exchange shots. The Haidào, though powerful, was quickly targeted and neutralized, which meant it couldn't be used very often.
The fact that Invincible Army's MSV is relatively limited is not good; it was a problem. Bixie's MSV is expensive and the Haidao is infamous for this and even immediately becomes a target.

- **Future strategies**: Apache Raider is considering using more REMs with an engineer and EVO to improve Verrofibro coverage for a +6 and saves but not on the -3 malus to shooting. He also discovered a new combination with the Rui Shi and Lu Duan, the latter with assisted shooting is sometimes as good as an MSV 2 and can gain a +1B BS attack on both profiles to improve shooting abilities.

### Other participants' reactions:

- **Paegis, Vincible Squad**: Enjoyed sharing and discussed the effectiveness of the Mowang and strategies to counter mimetism. He also shared about the problem of the Haidao's vulnerability to being quickly targeted, so it would be better to keep it in hidden reserve for offensive use.
- carnarvon**: Was surprised by the absence of the killer hacker and Yanhuo from the list, to which Apache Raider replied that its choices were dictated by the specific threats encountered.
- **Truls**: Mentioned the usefulness of the Rui Shi and Lu Duan to improve shooting capabilities, a combination that Apache Raider plans to use in the future.