September>December 2024: Nuclear winter has struck, leaving room for the N5

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  1. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Oh yes, i forgot, they did also with Caledonia. They launched new starter box, new Galwegians and new SWC weapon volunteers and then... nothing. And IIRC it was roughly at the same time than the SSA resculpt
     
  2. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    what have to do the SKU bloat with in game balance and gameplay?
     
  3. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    Bluntly, I said this years ago and I still remain committed to it:

    CB fucked up with Kosmoflot and axing FRRM. If they'd wanted to "evolve" the Merovingian side of things and Ariadna at large, the AEF was RIGHT. THERE.
    Having Merovingia becoming a power in the sphere rather than on Dawn would have let something seriously interesting happen.

    But nah. They went the path of least resistance and embraced a side of the fanbase that probably should have been excised long ago.
    I did note that the web army builder has an option for "Reinforcements"?

    You know I'm wildly out of the loop with gameplay, Stiopa, so I might be missing something on that angle.
     
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  4. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Almost all Ariadna players pre-TAK era are in the same page on that. Kosmoflot was a mistake. When everyone was expecting the glow up and big return of Merovingia, after the events of the narrative campaing they give us... a sectorial no one asked for, that look like nonsense mix of troops like some NA2 and that had to be overtuned to make it atractive to the players (OP bear, rokots+volkolak being a pure fireteam, UKR wildcard, Mirage 5 because why not, we got a new box out of the oven and we need to lure players into)
     
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  5. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    Or like JSA or Shas... Easy on the cherry picking, fam :)
     
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  6. Weathercock

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    It's doubly frustrating that the Equipe Argent are the only reinforcements set where every single trooper in their collection is not able to be used in any sectorial. They exist exclusively in vAriadna. There's only one single other trooper out of the entire range of Reinforcement releases that got that treatment, and it's the Bolt.
    And in the case of the Bolt, they're actually doing pretty well. vPanO seems to have been designed to take advantage of their new strengths with the fireteam reworks, and they genuinely look like a lot of care was taken to make them a solidly strong and interesting choice.
    Conversely, Equipe Argent's inclusion is kind of just forced in there. Briscards and Loup-Garou are straight up just bad, and have spent the greater part of a decade being bad with nothing to address it. Appaches are solid. Bruant will probably still be okay, but he really doesn't appreciate the price hike he got out of nowhere. Moblots weren't great to begin with, and then lost their Infiltration profiles (if you could take more than one, they might have actually made for a passable glass-canon team, but alas). It doesn't feel (although I'd be happy for someone to point out something where I'm wrong here) like any consideration was made towards interesting fireteam composition for their inclusion, either. It all feels like it was done with such disinterest and apathy.

    It sucks, because that's what drew me to Ariadna.

    At this point, it might not be a bad idea to consolidate FRRM and USARF. Both collections are anemic and in need of serious rework. CB may not be interested in doing a whole lot of work for either faction, but throwing them together and sprinkling a bunch of buffs around should be enough to at least shut the players up a bit.
     
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  7. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    It ain't cherry-picking to put the facts out, kitten.
     
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    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    I really can't agree to this, it reads like a conspiracy theory, specially given that CB has given USARF zero attention since it released.

    What you are describing is stuff that happens to every business if it last long enough, it's called capitalism and it's pretty en vogue in Europe too.

    By the way people, stop asking for the pdfs that Corvus never said would happen, it's another made up rumour like the USARF rework that only served to create false expectations and, now, frustration because the thing CB never said would happen hasn't happened.
     
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  9. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    Everyone wanted ariadna in to space, but kosmoflot has 35 profiles and barely 2 of those are actual astronauts.
     
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  10. Child9

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    No, what you're doing is the very textbook definition of cherry picking. Ignoring the factions that were revived and citing only the ones that were left dead, just because it would prove your point. Except it doesn't, because cherry picking. That's what a fact is. Kitten :kissing_heart:
     
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  11. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    There is, as well as a single reference to reinforcements in N5 rulebook in the table listing game modes.

    What I was getting at was that N5 was a perfect moment to rework this particular game mode, and make a fresh start, but apparently they weren't ready with it and for now it exists in its sorry state and separate pdf. Remains to be seen what will happen with it.
     
  12. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    They’ve stated it will included as part of ITS, so Part 2 of this season is likely when it’ll drop.
     
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    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Ah, must've missed that particular info, thanks
     
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  14. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    I mean, math proves my point.

    Three of the five Sectorials I've mentioned that got removed are still removed.
    If you really want to play the facts game, kiddo, then you should know that JSA didn't return as a faction:

    They returned as a NA2, and now as a full-fledged faction.

    But I guess you're going to say that's cherrypicking too right?

    Or are you going to throw out some garbage about how FRRM and NCA got "brought back" as Reinforcements means that the Sectorials really aren't gone?

    You chose to be an ass to people who are rightly annoyed by having the rug pulled out from them, all the while trying to play the "WELL ACTUALLY..." game.

    Now apologize to the good people, sit down, and shut the hell up. Because you're the best kind of wrong for this:
    Technically wrong.
     
  15. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    @kanluwen I am not sure when the time out expired, but if you do not control your posting behavior it will start again, @Child9 likewise.

    For the actual discussion, if CB wanted to cut USAriadna, they would have cut them with the N5 release like the other sectorials they cut, they are out of catalogue, because, well they are out of catalogue.

    Reinforcements are slated for their rework and integration to the main rules for a bit later.
     
  16. Child9

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    Math (is that math?) proves that CB did revive sectorials in the past and that it is thus possible again. Period :)

    You may want to check CB official website, where NA2 is listed as a faction. Do you want to say they revive a sub-faction and not a faction? If it makes you happy... :)
    Let me just tell you quibbling won't get you anywhere and won't change the fact you are wrong, kiddo.

    Nah. I don't think you understand the concept of cherry picking. You may want to spend a bit of time checking the definition.

    Strawman. I never said that. It's a bit sad to watch you piling up fallacies like this.

    Saying that USARF may come back in a near future is "being an ass"? Do you consider anyone not agreeing with your little fantasy is "being an ass"?

    You proved no one wrong (you'll get apologies when you will) and you're not allowed to tell people to shut up kiddo. Take another chill pill, the first one didn't have much effect. And listen to psychoticstorm, it seems you already had severe issues in the past, it would be a shame it happens again... :kissing_heart:

    @psychoticstorm I'm perfectly civil, @kanluwen is the one acting like a rabid grouch for no reason, check the posting history :)
     
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    You both kind of suck right now, and are becoming a chore to navigate through.

    And for the love of god, stop it with the diminuatives. It's pathetic. We're talking about toy soldiers.
     
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    Woops, posted by mistake, please delete this message,
     
  19. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    lol, let it start again. I literally left of my own volition last time because, just like before, this site has zero real moderation.
    So their communication is as effective as your moderation? Good to know!
    What was the point of a new edition again?
     
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  20. Daireann

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    Well, I've started since TAK already was in the game. It was an end of 2018.
    And even I feel myself strange. But in a different way.
    I liked, that each nation of Ariadna had their force. A little sad, that Merovingia was discontinued (After reading story they were my main candidate among tohaa and acon). Alsonsad to see tha same with Kaledonia, because wolves in a kilts are very notable vibe of Ariadna.

    Kosmoflot at the beginning was a good idea. United ariadnan space forces. But things became strange since bear. Really? I liked wolf thematic. That was understandable. But bears were a cranberry. (we are using this word to discribe very obvious stereotypes. Lazy one. Like vodka, balalaika, ushanka. That becomes like I am playing Red Alert... Ha.)

    So, my mait questions to Kosmoflot are like this:
    - 1st, it is a starnge lore design. Units could be united more carefully under one umbrella
    - 2nd, they missed visual design. I was expecting more like kosmosoldat units. Patchers was. Cool but a little strange. Rokots could be suited in overall suit. And so on.

    Game design question was a little different moment. Main moments for me are adove.
    But this one was not perfect too. I just cant describe it that easily.

    ...
    And a couple of words about "But Merovingia was represented in reinforcement" that was earlier.
    That is not good, because good link options are ONLY in reinforcement. And it means, your fighters, which you would like to use, would appear in the game only at last turn. If earlier, then you are not in a good situation already. Anyway they are much less interesting to be used in regular mod sadly.
     
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