Sad Avatar noises

Paying for its sins in N4.

Seems to be a lot of balancing by feel in N5. Still might be better than N4. Not as good as N3 though.

 

Joking?

 

Currently its 120p. For two orders. Thats to much

 

I think it should get either Lt+1 Order or Tactical Awareness back, but I wouldn't discount the usefulness of having additional Command Token. They're useful resources, we have to play some N5 games to properly judge the change

 

Sure, because the only thing the Avatar is bringing to the table is two orders. And there is no way to get super cheap orders in vCA... :p

 

Im n4 it was very expens and very valuable. Not its still very expensive.

If you don't get behind the Idea that a 2order Avatar at 120p is much less valuable than q 126p Avatar with 4 orders....

 

I'm on board with the sad avatar train, however with speedball it can have effectively STR4 and there's a lot-lot less times it'll get oneshot by a B2 missile from fireteam, so it's probably not as bad as it seems.

 

We know that an order costs 4 pts, so technically he's 2 pts more expensive, but in target-richer enviroment. Let's run some games and see.

 

No TAG with mimetism -6 or HRMC has tactical awareness in this edition, (except sphinx, but eh), its not only the Avatar that got rebalanced.

 

Except Avatar N5 was facing very powerful fireteams, that are now mostly gone.
It's pointless to just compare cost and stats without even considering that this is N5 now and that a lot will change.
You can still have your 15 minis Avatar list, meaning more than enough orders to fuel what remains the single most powerful piece in the game.

 

Agree with the "Avatar's still fine" team. Avvie was fine back in N3 before she got tactical awareness and LT+1, she's still fine now. Infinity is a game where you power your big badass killers with small mooks, n4 just spoiled us a bit.

 

Also: worth noting that tactical orders are now counted against the 10 order cap that prevents your opponents removing orders from your pool when you go first. If the Avatar had tacaware, you'd actually end up with less orders in the first turn in your standard 10-order list

 

In n4 you could loose 2 Orders and still had 10 regular ones...and tac aware

 

With the changes to linked ARO bonuses and access to speedball, it's functionally impossible for the Avatar to be put down with a single flubbed roll, which is kind how a lot of factions had to threaten it.

You lost orders, but you no longer have to spend orders maneuvering around potential threats. You can bulldoze through near any opposition with more freedom than ever before.

Avatar's fine. Depending on the situation, buffed, even.

 

Go play usarf and adjust your definition of unplayable.

 

I think that if you genuinely believe that the Avatar is 'unplayably' bad, you have a fundamentally poor understanding of the ruleset going into N5, or how to play the game at high enough levels for those changes to really matter for a trooper like the Avatar, anyway.

 

Wow. Combined Army players still find things to complain about? Because your completely broken mega TAG is now a fairly balanced mega TAG? I guess if your entire faction is broken, the one unit that isn't broken becomes "unplayable"...

 

The HRMC Bultrak as well as the HRMC Overdron kept their TA too.