September>December 2024: Nuclear winter has struck, leaving room for the N5

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  1. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I gave on up on realistic armor and viewing a looong time ago. I just now assume sci-fi sensors. not eyes. lol
     
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    And they stole the AD jump pack from Yu Jing. Those bastards!
     
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  3. Daireann

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    Blindness in fight explains courage!

    Same. But my main question is about PanO bullet cassets. I didn't find reason for that form.
    But may be it is so high tech, where everything works on adstract symbols and ideas. Like some weird tech in Enki Bilal's books. I like this artist. One of my favorite. He have interesting pictures of the future to show us.
     
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  4. UpirLihi

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    Pano uses caseless ammo for the most part and binary explosives mixed on the fly. So the shape of the magazine is a little bit less nonsensical that way.
     
  5. Wizzy

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    Summary in video by Robert Shepherd.




    Infinity N5 - Mild Speculation #4 (OnTableTop Theme Week - New Rules, Release Factions & Fireteams)



    And a unboxing by GmG.

    GMG Reviews - Battle Box: Operation Sandtrap by Corvus Belli
     
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  6. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    In my personal opinion, it is still nonsensical.

    No matter the shape of your magazines / ammo casettes and how technologically advanced they are, you will still need appropriate magazine pouches / other containers to carry your spare ammo. These need to be ergonomically shaped to allow for faster reloading. Now, is it easier to pull a rectangular box straight up out of a pouch, or to pull a curved box while twisting it to accomodate the curve?

    My experience IRL suggests the former.

    So, if you can have any shape of a magazine, choosing a curved (bah, seriously curved if we talk about PanO Combi, for example. It is somewhere about 1/6th of a circle on its own) seems to be a bad choice.


    But that's all just a side note, the rearward-curved mags on PanO guns are a part of the faction identity. So be it.
     
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    Have we ever seen one of those guns reloaded? Might be a Mass Effect 1 sort of deal, with a solid stock of projectile material being shaved off and printed into bullets on the fly. In that specific case (not needing to reload outside the armoury) having the magazine run along the trigger guard might at least avoid the gun getting caught on things?
     
  8. Wizzy

    Wizzy Well-Known Member

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    The demo battle report wasn't up on OTT, I think they forgot about it, like the articles to promote the pre-order. :sweat_smile:
     
  9. HokutoAndy

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    Teishin has straight forward high collar armor, you see that in real life bomb suits that get turned into "heavies" in shooters, a more extemee version would be a jousting helm.
    Haqqislam bokhtar, the cool new Azrail, liuxing have similar raised collars. Daiyokai has one further from the chest.

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    You just need bullets with butt end more narrow than the killy tip to justify magazines that curve the other way. Most of the time there's no reason to do that, killy end is pointer and you want as much powder as you can get.

    Here's such a cartridge from the US civil war for the Burnside Carbine. It's primer is separate from the powder too and it's reverse taper design is related to that.

    "When the trigger was pulled, the hammer struck a separate percussion cap and caused a spark; a hole in the base of the cartridge exposed the black powder to this spark. The unique, conical cartridge sealed the joint between the barrel and the breech. Most other breech-loading weapons of the day tended to leak hot gas when fired, but Burnside's design eliminated this problem"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnside_carbine

    So by happy coincidence, PanO's reverse curve mags being justified by multi part bullet technobabble has some historic connections.

    What's more of a mystery is the round bit at the top of PanO guns, primaris space marines snagged them to look more advanced than old bolters. Does the RPG explain what that is? I figure it's some accelerator thingy or could be injecting another bullet component.
     

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  10. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I have a vague memory of having seen a mini with a PanO rifle and magazine in the other hand. Can't point to a specific one, though.

    Still, you'd need pouches for spare "blocks of projectile material". So the shape of said block remains relevant.

    And if you are concerned about the "magazine" caughing at things, there are late 1980s-era solutions to that. One I'm personally familiar with (having spent a couple of years using an airsoft version of one) is a P90-like magazine along the top edge of the gun. Guaranteed not to snag on anything, and straight like a rod.
     
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    In a fit of silliness, I somehow forgot to mention that the reason the ME1 solution is relevant is that the solid blocks are sufficient for thousands of shots thanks to projectile velocity letting them get by with smaller, lighter projectiles. If they weren't this efficient, you'd definitely need spare blocks and ergonomics would be an issue again.
     
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    The shape of the PanOceania magazine has nothing to do with the shape of the bullet casing, mostly because, as Gutierrez himself has said on several occasions, the guns do not use bullets with casings.

    Inside the magazines there are no bullets as such, there is a kind of "gel" that solidifies into the appropriate shape at the moment of firing.

    That is why the magazines can actually have any shape, curved (like in the Combi Rifle or Submachine Gun) or can-shaped (like in the HMG and Spitfire).
    Why in certain guns the curve is backwards, well, that has never been explained... I guess someone at some point thought it would be cool (speculation, not affirmation).
     
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  13. TenNoBushi

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    [​IMG]

    The gel is the propelant (explosion being made with electric discharge), there still a bullet in it.
     
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  14. Wizzy

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    JSA in Infinity N5
     
  15. Daireann

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    Thank you! Now it becomes better. You solved my problem with this case.
    At least I can look without doubts on it.
    It was just the right excuse to help me believe in this fastastic story x)

    Ah, by the way. How soon would we get a new builder?
     
  16. Wizzy

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    Probably 18 november with rules or endly november.
     
  17. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    That's not a rifle, that's HMG.
    Also, round mag implies a helical feed system. These things do exist IRL, and they make a lot of sense in specific applications.
    Albeit they usually aren't placed the way they are on this old PanO HMG.

    Here, a PanO-issue rifle with magazine removed: [​IMG]


    Exactly.
     
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  18. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    Anyone else really excited about the MA changes?
    MA 3, 4, and 5 have gotten so much better. That, with the loss of DTWs getting the burst bonus and the shotgun changes makes CC specialist more viable.
     
  19. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Yup. Though I wonder why the MArts still gives a CC bonus, since so far there's no way to remove specifically that bonus (in N2-N4, it was removed by Natural Born Warrior).
    I'd just cut that bit and add 3pts to CC stat.

    As for the rest - we'll see.
     
  20. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    That Druze is one of my favorite miniatures. So much attitude.
     
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