Have 2 lists and wondering which might be more consistent Onyx Hack ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 UMBRA LEGATE (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse ( ) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 41) NOURKIAS (Lieutenant, Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Total Control (+1 Damage)]) Breaker Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( ) / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 45) Q-DRONE Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 25) T-DRONE Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16) E-DRONE Combi Rifle / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 18) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) Light Flamethrower(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 9) SLAVE DRONE PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit, MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) Light Flamethrower(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 9) Bit (Hacker], Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Oblivion]) Submachine Gun, Pitcher ( | Deployable Repeater]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) KISS! Adhesive Launcher, Pitcher(+1B) ( | Deployable Repeater) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) GROUP 2 5 KERR-NAU Plasma Rifle, D-Charges, Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) UNIDRON Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 20) UNIDRON (Forward Observer) Plasma Carbine, Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15) UNIDRON (Forward Observer) Plasma Carbine, Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army The best here is that you can buff your TR bot or unidrons by evo + you have more pitchers and overall hacking options (all the programs) + solid option to complete the missions even if one of the groups is fallen and of course the link can be pain in the .... Sciavorro+Ana+bit ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 1 SKIÁVORO (Lieutenant [+1 Command Token], Strategos L1]) Plasma Rifle, Sepsitor Plus, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 60) ANATHEMATIC (Hacker, Hacking Device, Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity (+1B)]) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser ( ) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 76) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) Light Flamethrower(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 9) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) Light Flamethrower(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 9) MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit, MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22) T-DRONE Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16) SPECULO KILLER Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (1 | 32) SLAVE DRONE PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) Q-DRONE Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 25) DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle(+1B), Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14) Bit (Hacker], Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Oblivion]) Submachine Gun, Pitcher ( | Deployable Repeater]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 20) KISS! Adhesive Launcher, Pitcher ( | Deployable Repeater) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 5) GROUP 2 1 2 2 ÍMETRON . (0 | 6) GAKI AP CC Weapon. (0 | 4) GAKI AP CC Weapon. (0 | 4) 5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army This one has more options like eliminating targets within specula (or defend frendlies from speculatives) having warbands to stop remboes or other threats within deploy zone One of the best hacker in the game and also a sepsitor that can make a huge comeback even within almost desperate situation (so the hd+ version o charontid hasn't been taking due to sciavoro is the cheapest sepsitor option) Lt option with mnemonica What do you think guys, which is more solid
Just tested the second one, here some thoughts - 2 hackers(even if one as an uber) is far not enough - very defensive gameplay if you specula fails, though to make an alpha strike withing guided you need a lot of orders. So better to provide initiative to the opponent. Or just spam repeaters on the first turn within the middle and stay calm in deployment - the half army was varnished within msv2 Atlanta , so the next time maybe better to take hd+ version or kerr with white noise - kill the opposite engineer first ^-) - lack of cheap specialists who can make a suicide push the button mission - actually ridiculous to say but, there are too many options, though I've tried a sepsitor - was run out of orders, maybe I should invest 60 better than in sciavorro suppose need some adjustments there and couple more games to play this effectively
For the onyx list, and this is just my personal opinion, is to have my second order pool be expendable ARO pieces. If I lose them, they won’t greatly affect my main order pool. I would place Kerr Nau and his unidrones into group one and move the following models to the second order pool. bit and kiss Q - drone Ikadrone E - drone E-Drone and kiss stays hidden, but everything else can take ARO duty. If they die, hopefully they waste orders of your opponents and conserve your main order pool. If they all die but the e-drone, that is ok. You were most likely going to run supportware on the unidrone with missile launcher after everything breaks down anyway. what better use for his one order?! Kerr Nau’s unidrone with missile launcher can certainly take ARO duty in group one too since it will be getting the sweet fire team bonus, and if he goes down the slave worm can wiggle over for some repairs. I think the list is solid, I would just move some pieces around. But that is just my play style and it might not work for everyone.
I've got your point and actually it was the same thoughts when I was building it. But frankly - 4 orders for bit&kiss suppose not enough. So you need to full fill the pitchers/dep repeaters and, if playing cautious and tryimg to pitch the table over speculative. I was trying bit kiss in more aggressive play - trying to put them 8-12 inches forward and firing pitchers directly up to opp. deploy - it consumed a lot of orders - and actually trying to alpha strike with spotlite+guded gonna fail due to lack of orders (my dices are not so good) With Kerr-Nau suppose working withing spec fire even better due to the link +3bs bonus. So definitely I can move the link forward on 4-8 inches and speculate pitchers to ~36" border (which effectively covers 44") and have 10 orders to spotlite and guide firing but for the rest of strategy - I've the same idea tr bot and missle - my gunline for ARO, as for supportive programs sometimes I prefer to use marksmanship on my Q-drone, but 3 missles is good as hell also. Will test it sooun and share results
So I've tested it vs Ranah Taskforces newer basic test ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 2 1 ZHAYEDAN (BS Attack [Shock]) Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33) ZHAYEDAN Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 28) NAFFATÛN Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) GHULAM (NCO) Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 15) NAFFATÛN Rifle, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13) NAFFATÛN (Lieutenant) Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) NAMURR (Tactical Awareness) Breaker Rifle, Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Heavy Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 41) MUKHTAR (Multispectral Visor L2) Red Fury, Nanopulser(+1B) ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 36) LEILA SHARIF (Hacker) Shock Marksman Rifle, E/M Mines, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20) CARMEN Chain Rifle(+1B), Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol(+1B), DA CC Weapon. (0 | 18) BÂTARD Trench-Hammer, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 5) GROUP 2 4 1 GHULAM (Doctor [+3]) Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15) TUAREG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Rifle, Light Shotgun, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34) BEASTHUNTER FTO (Minelayer) Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust, AP Mines / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 9) FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army Played ACQUISITION mission . I failed the initiative and my opponent choose to make the first turn So I won this match but for my personnal opinion only because my adversary wasn't so experienced. Actually it was played as planned 1st turn - he wasted 5-6 orders to kill my qdrone and unidrone with missle and activated a console - kernau launched 2 pitchers and killed Leila. Legat spotlited Zhayedan with missle and guided missle killed it and naffatun. the last order used coordinated to cybermask legat and nouctrias (also protorioned the qaz creature with nouctrias - yummy ) 2d turn - opponent hasn't do much: changed bike on bit, and beasthunter on kerrnau. And moved his forces forward - me either - just eliminated hmg and phamus bot, also made a hit to namur with ikadron. 3d turn - depleted one undron, uncovered toureg with the second console and moved the forces to the tech coffin. So at the end of the turn he controlled all 3 spots, with activeted consoles also made a sabotage objective - ikadrone moved to cc with namur (who controlled console) and fired 2 flamers (muhtar was affected also) namur survived, muhtar died (he was on suppressive and failed to kill baggage ). Legate activated this console and tried to kill namur (with 2b but not successful). nouktrias went to the second console, khd tuareg and activated +conteolled the second console (tech coffin left under the enemy control) so, realized quite few things: if there is no hackable targets, but still has good firepower - you're might be in trouble. The only spotlight programm on aro during the game - seems not so awesome. Also the list is very vulnerable if legate is dead. Still unidrons and ikadrons doing their job. also the spotlights are very annoying (cause opponent realizes that on my active there will be guided massacre) Thinking over smth more heavy and will try full onyx team + make duo with kernnau and unidrone with tinbot. So the strategy is to setup the gunline within qdrone, suriat , maaktrep and even kurgat with the ability to put legate and nouctrias than in unidrone core team. The reason for that to provide additional survivability due tinbots +6th sense (so can react on stealth enemy KHDs and HIs through repeaters) ───────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SURYAT (Multispectral Visor L1) Heavy Rocket Launcher ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / MULTI Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (1.5 | 36) UMBRA LEGATE (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse ( ) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 41) NOURKIAS (Lieutenant, Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Total Control (+1 Damage)]) Breaker Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( ) / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 45) MAAKREP TRACKER Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) KURGAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Panzerfaust(+1 Dam) / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) Bit (Hacker], Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Oblivion]) Submachine Gun, Pitcher ( | Deployable Repeater]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) KISS! Adhesive Launcher, Pitcher(+1B) ( | Deployable Repeater) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) NEXUS (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, E/M Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 23) UNIDRON K1 Combi Rifle ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) Light Flamethrower(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 9) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) Light Flamethrower(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 9) GROUP 2 3 Q-DRONE Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 25) T-DRONE Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16) R-DRONE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Looks like a closely fought game vs Ramah, must have been fun! That is an expensive fireteam you have there, but is certainly kitted out to deal with any issue. I enjoy the Suryat with HRL. Having a visor on him is super useful to clear out distant enemies, and the fire teams has a nice selection of close range weapons. Having a hacking team with sixth sense is great too. The only issue I see is that the t-drone only has access to 3 orders if it has a chance to be used to guide some missiles on your unsuspecting enemy. But you probably have better luck rolling guided shots than I do! Have fun trying this list out.
My Onyx hacking list: The cancer list ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 Bit (Hacker], Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Oblivion]) Submachine Gun, Pitcher ( | Deployable Repeater]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) KISS! Adhesive Launcher, Pitcher(+1B) ( | Deployable Repeater) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) SURYAT (Multispectral Visor L1) Heavy Rocket Launcher ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / MULTI Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (1.5 | 36) UMBRA SAMARITAN (Hacker, Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity]) Plasma Carbine, Flash Pulse ( ) / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 39) UMBRA SAMARITAN (Hacker, Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity]) Plasma Carbine, Flash Pulse ( ) / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 39) KURGAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Drop Bears / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23) NEXUS (Lieutenant, Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16) ÍMETRON . (0 | 6) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) Light Flamethrower(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 9) GREIF-OP (Surprise Attack [-3], Impersonation [IMP-2]) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) R-DRONE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) GROUP 2 5 Q-DRONE Plasma Rifle / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 24) T-DRONE Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army The enemy wins if it can plow through 3 trinity AROs (2 of which are under tinbot) with a pitcher alpha strike. The list can do the most balanced coordinated spotlight interaction and at the same time is protected against GML thanks to Greif-OP.
Have played guit a lot of games in tts with IGL top 16 guys and live in our local communities. So .... For vanilla definitely you need daturazies and smokes and actually you are still running out of orders very quickly. Also there is no good defensive stuff against warbands such as chimera/mcmurroh, wolves etc , who can get to your guys in easy manner On both of the lists - usually you haven't enough firepower and straightforward lists make some advantage on them. So I decided not to make a hacking as a core win condition and have some place for killing pieces and came up with the roster which by the moment was play tested only several times but with great results Xeodron hacking ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 XEODRON K1 Marksman Rifle, Blitzen / Heavy Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 53) STALDRON Flash Pulse / CC Weapon. (0 | 0) NOURKIAS (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Total Control (+1 Damage)]) Breaker Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( ) / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 47) NEXUS (Engineer) Vulkan Shotgun, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22) Q-DRONE Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 25) T-DRONE Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) Light Flamethrower(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 9) E-DRONE Combi Rifle / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 18) Bit (Hacker], Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Oblivion]) Submachine Gun, Pitcher ( | Deployable Repeater]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) KISS! Adhesive Launcher, Pitcher(+1B) ( | Deployable Repeater) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 6) ÍMETRON . (0 | 6) GROUP 2 5 NEXUS (Lieutenant, Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, E/M Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) UNIDRON Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 20) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army So we have a link with unidrons with nexus LT wich acts mainly as ARO piece or to spotlight /push the button on active turn The haris on Xeodron-Nouctrias- Nexus engineer is a great and main attacking unit. So the GML is not the main option for eliminating the targets now and acts as a additional piece . Also there is a place to change e-drone on smth more valuable, but still he can be used on 90% of your army. LT can be nexus or nourkias, but frankly better to keep him as an active killing unit As for the final vanilla list I do not have the best idea for now - still looking for op variants though
I was thinking something along these lines so I'm curious how it goes, except Exo CoC and Nourkias lieutenant instead of Q-drone, which allows points for plasma sniper instead of ML Unidron.
I've played locally several times with the previous list (resilience, bi-pong, armory, mindwipe) - will keep it for the tournament :-) Absolute win there I noticed the lack of slave drone sometimes (so engineer usually follows the haris ) Still all the changes of the list - you need 9-10 orders on the first group - either to deliver pitchers everywhere on the midtable/ or alphastrike with Xeodron-nourkias Suppose Q-drone is a must for any CA army. even if it get wounded/destroed on the first order of the opponent turn
