Moving into ZoC of a Trooper in a Fireteam

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  1. Quiet Professional

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    Hi everyone,

    I experienced an interesting situation that raised a question about how the rules play. First the game situation.

    I moved my Evader into ZoC of a Crosier paramedic in a fireteam. The rest of the fireteam were away from the Evader and had no LoF to the Evader and were in the prone state. The Evader was inside ZoC but outside LoF of the Crosier. My opponent declared dodge for the Crosier and the rest of the fire team.

    This posed a question; although only the Crosier was reacting to the Evader who was the active turn trooper, do the rest of the fireteam also dodge for an ARO despite not have LoF to the Evader?

    The Dodge common skill requirements state that "in the reactive turn, if they are allowed to declare an ARO."

    The ARO mechanic states "The ARO declarations of the Reactive troopers are considered valid in the following situation: 1) an enemy trooper activates within LoF; 2) an enemy trooper activates within ZoC. (relevant rules)

    The remainder of the fireteam did not meet these requirements, only the Crosier.

    On page 167 in the Fireteam section it talks about Fireteams in the Reactive turn. Basically, all the members must perform the same ARO (majority rule) otherwise the fireteam breaks.
    My opponent declared dodge for the entire fireteam with the intention of moving other fireteam members.

    The examples in the rule book always use troopers within LoF of each other.

    I just want to clarify that despite only the Crosier meeting the requirements for an ARO to an active trooper, the rest of the fireteam that was outside ZoC and LoF to the Evader all get to declare Dodge too which is a valid ARO?

    Thanks for your efforts in advance.
     
  2. StephanDahl

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    I'd guess the entire fireteam declares the Dodge ARO, but when it resolves, only the troopers with LOF/in ZOC meets the requirements, and the remainder of the troopers perform an Idle? Theoretically, the second short skill may make them eligible by then.
     
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    Fireteam members get their own AROs during the reactive turn. Nowhere does it say that if one gets to ARO, they all get to ARO. The only stipulation is that all members must declare the same ARO or get booted from the fireteam. So one Crosier gets to ARO and she declares dodge because the EVAder activated within her ZoC. The other fireteam members do not get to declare anything yet. If the others get to declare an ARO later during the enemy trooper's activation, they'd all have to declare dodge as well to stay in the fireteam (note they can choose to declare something different, but they immediately leave the fireteam if they do).
     
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    This.
     
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    This, but not exactly.

    The fireteam ARO isn't defined by what the first member declared, but by what the majority of the fireteam declared.

    So taking the example given here...
    If the rest of the fireteam declares Shoot, the first trooper who declared Dodge will be kicked out.
    If one other fireteam member declares Shoot, (so 1 declared Dodge, 1 Declared Shoot) the player will decide which one gets kicked out.
    If one other member declares Shoot and one declares Dodge (2 Dodge, 1 Shoot). Then the one who declared Shoot will be kicked out.

    If the Fireteam leader is kicked out, then thw fireteam will break.
     
  6. Quiet Professional

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    Thanks for your replies!

    @QuantronicWombat I think your suggestion makes sense. Only the Crosier would meet the requirements for a Dodge ARO, with the remainder of the fireteam just performing an Idle.

    @Diphoration I think your response makes sense if more troopers meet the requirements for an ARO. This makes sense from the rule book because in Corvus Belli's example, every trooper is in LoF to the active trooper. In my situation, only The Crosier was inside ZoC, and the rest of the fireteam were prone and outside the Evader's ZoC, yet still within coherency of the Crosier.

    Again, thanks for your replies.
     
  7. Iskandar

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    The rest of the fireteam do not perform an Idle if they don't have an ARO. They do nothing at all if only the Crosier is on ZoC as only they have an ARO so only they get to declare anything
     
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    Yes, thankyou. It makes sense. I will apply this to future games.
     
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