Ok. So like the thread name states, I would like for people to put in some weird and crazy ideas for core Fireteams I White Banner. The weirder the better. As with any thread I would like people to be respectful twords others ideas and keep the thread peaceful. With that said, how about a 4 man core with 3 Jujaks (ones the M.L of course)and Qiang Gao. Make Qiang the Lieutenant so you can feed Bixie 2 Lieutenant orders. Now you have Bixie running around causing mayhem with a core that has your DZ guarded with 2 heavy Flamethrowers, a light Flamethrower, a M.L, and a H.M.G. what do you all think, and what crazy core would you play just to see it in action? Any and all ideas and comments are welcome.
You end up paying for an expensive pure team without a 5-man bonus and an obvious Lt that is a nearly strictly worse combatant that also provides worse utility than just sticking Shang Jisus in there. Jujak ML also really doesn't offer a whole lot, especially when Shang Paul is available. Realistically, you're always going to be running a monk haris in White Banner. With the Haris slot already taken up, I tend to prefer utilizing the Core slot to run more utility-focused 3 man teams. Entirely opposite to myself, I know Miraclebutt is a big fan of Zhanshi teams of various designs and descriptions.
I tried Qiang Gao in full core with Bixie and came to the same conclusion @Weathercock came, extra orders are nice, but Shang Ji is a better option most of the time. Not sure on the monk Haris, never felt the need to utilize such a fireteam.
This is my Female Force 5. Using my old, smaller, Shang Ji who I always said was female. The Tian Gou is female but will be disguised as something else. It’s too bad the Ye Mao Panzerfaust was a Ltd edition. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 5 1 SHÀNG JÍ (Forward Observer, Tactical Awareness) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 40) BÌXIÉ MULTI Rifle, Zapper, Flash Pulse / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 41) SO-RA KWON Shock Marksman Rifle, E/M Mines ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 34) JING QO MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt / AP + DA CC Weapon, Breaker Pistol. (0 | 36) TIAN GǑU FTO Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22) 0 SWC | 173 Points Open in Infinity Army
That makes sense. I only used it once and it was for B-pong. I usually go for various combinations of Zanshi my self. I was more going for something that is completely silly and not normally seen. But yeah, a Shang Ji is the way I would build something like this if it was more serious. That's awsome! I love it. I'm tottaly going to steal this next time I run WB. How does it usually work out?
Unfortunately I never got a chance to use it. I started playing ISS and now I'm totally into O12. Except for the Tian Gou slowing them down a bit, it's not a bad group.
more in the category of dumb core because you can is: Jing Qo and 4 Ye Mao (one is actually a Tian Qou) Also to chime in on Qiang Gao, I tried to make him work as the Lt for Reinforcements list where there was an NCO in the reinforcements pool and even then it was a stretch.
I don't know how weird it is, but my latest flavour of WB core has been 2 Zhanshi MLs, a pair of plain Zhanshi (one as LT), a paramedic, and Chief Jeong: 5 core and a spare for when they start dropping. It's a really nasty attack link with Chief's B3 LRL with +1D, hitting on 15s. It has a wip14 engineer for a tag or mission, and it's a nice cheap aro core. The rest of the list looks like a Blue Wolf, a "fancy" monk haris (with Adil or Jing), and standard WB stuff. Added bonus: if you run Adil and Jeong it's nice and fluffy, recreating their teamup in Betrayal. :)
One I haven't used but would love to try is below. A fun CC monster haris. You have almost a bit of everything. 3 CC guys, templates, specialist, smoke. Not horribly pricy. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 2 1 2 ADIL (Specialist Operative, Veteran) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser(+1B) / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 32) LIANG KAI Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 21) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 6) 0 SWC | 59 Points Open in Infinity Army
Yeah, that's the one. I actually like the Crane Adil for it, as I use it for triangulated a lot, and the 2W and 4Arm really help. His breaker is pretty fearsome, I think he has to be one of the best triangulated fire users in the game, with his good defense, haris, breaker and BS13.
I guess I am not weird enough. I usualy play Zhanshis with Shangs and mix in a character and/or a Tian. Once I made Ye Mao/Shang core but it never saw the field. My next plan is simply because I finished my Jujaks - a full Jujak core inkl. somthing, that count as Shang ;-) I like the idea but it lacks a pointmen ... a woman, who knows, maybe SJ is a she in this armor. Classical Jing + 2 Shaolin gives you already all of the above: CC, Template, Smoke, Gun and mimetism :-D
Adil brings sensor which is epic in some matchups, and a b4 breaker out to 48", hitting on 10s. He has a good dodge to position for triangulated too. I love Jing but she can't do either of these things.
Sensor is good. Adil is good. Triangulated fire is .. situational. For that the haris gets too expensive. If it works in your meta - do it.
I used Qiang Gao as Lt with 3 Jujaks in B-Pong the other day. I feed Bixie the Lt orders and pushed up the middle for the beacon. It worked pretty good. But then a Fiday ruined my day. I roasted the first one with a Jujak, but then the second got in cc with my core and I couldn't get rid of him.
I think a full core of Jujaks would count as a bit strange ;). But in all seriousness I love Jujaks. Especially in some sort of link. 2 burst on a heavy Flamethrower is awsome.
Triangulated Fire will still be burst 3 as it's an Entire Order Skill, so doesn't benefit from Fireteam burst bonus.
Goddamit, I've been playing this wrong all edition! Thanks for ruining triangulated fire for me Colbrook! ;)
Due to the lack of specialist, I think Jujaks are suboptimal for B-Pong. But for firepower (templates) they are nice, because the enemy need to get close to active the antennas or get to the pong. But still I think, they bind to much points in this mission.
I agree. It was a game for fun. I definitely wouldn't have run that in a tournament or anything. I would have ran something more sane like: ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 1 SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 38) CHIEF JEONG K1 Combi Rifle, AP Mines, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 29) ZHANSHI (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13) ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11) HÙNDÙN (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 27) GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30) YĚ MĀO (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31) BÌXIÉ MULTI Rifle, Zapper, Flash Pulse / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 41) YĚ MĀO Missile Launcher, Chain-colt / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 29) GROUP 2 2 2 3 LIANG KAI Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 21) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 6) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 6) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army (This is something I quickly threw together, so probably not the most efficient list.) I only ran the Jujak thing for fun. I just wanted to see a whole bunch of fire being thrown around.
