Hi all! As the name suggests I would like to open up a thread talking about the Gecko Harris. What do you all think about 2 Geckos and a Wildcat engineer? On paper it sounds interesting, but anyone feild it yet? If you have what kind of list do you build around it? What mission would you consider taking it in? All answers are welcome, but just keep it respectful to others opinions.
Its a perfectly serviceable Haris, gets two Gecko and an engineer that follows them, or alternatively a hacker to steal them back or a killer hacker to eliminate nearby hackers. Alternatively having a Tsyklone or Vostok be the 3rd member makes the TAGs carry their own repeater network with them to solve the hacking issues they will face and compensate for the range bands they are not equipped to deal with. Though what I want to play and have slotted but keep delaying it is 3 pure Geckos.
I didnt think about taking a Tsyklone or a Vostok. That would be an interesting idea. I might have to play with in a list at some point. 3 Geckos pure would be awsome! If you try it let me know how it goes.
It's a bit awkward to make a solid list with it as it's quite a block of points at 300. It's good fun, until you run into an opponent with a solid hacking network or some real alpha gunners like hac tao or mimetic core linked gunners.
Yeah, that's what I kind of felt like. With regards to hacking I think having Moran upside feild with a couple of good Hackers like Jazz would help on that front. But actual alpa strikers would be a problem. I think the 6 ARM would go a long way with some cover, but they would definitely be a problem.
It's more that they're just then reliant on burst to win fights as you tend not to have msv2 in the list due to price. Geckos are fine at bullying lighter threats, but a mim-6 nasty with a big gun can really roadblock the geckos as they're likely to just lose face to face rolls
I played them two or three times already. Very good haris, that can actualy clean a lot on their way. B5 Dam 15 MMR is like a M-HMG with shorter range. For heavy duty switch to the MK12 with DAM 17! I usualy played them with a Wildcat KHD (Engineer is good too) two go for hacking threats, push buttons or engage something with mimetism. I would not recommend another swc weapon thats too much in one place. The Senor is also an good candidate to counter CC or break LoF. If mime-6 blocks your path, you better have back up Intruder ;-) (I think I´d did´t had one in the list, but Wildcats).
I like the idea of Senor for LoF breaking (maybe a jaguar too). Wildcat KHD in the Harris seems like a good idea. Including an Intruder in there will definitely help with some of the mime -6. Although, I think in general Corregidor has a problem dealing with mime -6 big heavy gunfiters.
Intruder HMG is really good support for the Gecko (placed off to the side to get the angle on whatever's threatening them) and take out those big Mim-6 boys. Gecko haris - I've tried a few times to field all three, but it is a big points ask. I find the Vostok is a great alternative to at least one. Saves a few points, just about as tough, adds repeater, and can gunfight things you're afraid to send the Gecko against (Mim -6, Climb+, Imm(AP), 5 wounds to kill it... so much goodness...) I usually wind up coming back around to a Gecko (pick your favorite flavor), Vostok and Wildcat Engineer (to bring either of them back)
I love Gecko Haris with 2x infantry a lot. It has the armor and firepower lof a TAG but brings -two- backup troopers who can mix Engineer, smoke, etc. Having smoke and a mid-ranged TAG in the same little team is really, really useful. It's a lot of fun to use, most importantly. :) For Engineer, the Wildcat is fine. They add a lot of scoring utility for Classifieds missions (visor, MI, Veteran classification, etc.). The only time I wouldn't take one in the Haris is if I already had Lupe Balboa or a Tomcat in my list. For the second slot, I like either Señor Massacre or Lupe Balboa for a smoke-throwing gunfighter. Massacre's Eclipse grenades are a bit better for blocking LoF, but if you have Jazz and Morans in your list already (and you always should), throwing out some White Noise isn't very difficult either. I actually prefer Lupe over Massacre because she brings a very reliable Panzerfaust ARO, plus Mimetism to the link on top of her smoke. She can do some pretty good work as an ARO turret if you are going second, protecting a flank approach or a line of advance for your opponent that you would otherwise have to leave open. I feel like the Vostok is redundant with the Gecko most of the time: I wouldn't put them in the same Haris, personally. If you do put them together, it should be for a mission where you really need to advance quite aggressively and you are okay with one dying and the other switching in to keep up the pressure.
Really? See I would have thought the Vostok would have worked well with the minitisim. I didnt think about putting Lupe though. I'll have to play around with that idae.
You're looking around a corner at a LI or MI linked ML, Sniper or even a Panzerfaust at ~20" Do you want to risk your ~60pts. Gecko with a Multi-rifle at flat rolls (-cover +range on both sides) Or do you want to use your ~40pts. Vostok with Mim-6?
100% the Vostok. Then turn the link into paste in the active turn with the Gecko, or lose it to horrible le rolling. That would be what would happen to me.
The Vostok's great on its own, as is the Gecko. What I'm saying is that -they are redundant-. They just have the same range and strength weapon and similar durability, so you are unlikely to use the Gecko if you are leaning on the Vostok, and vice versa. Most of the time you will have wasted the points on one or the other of them, and they are expensive. The only time I would use them both is when I fully expect the first one I use to die, and don't want to (or can't) use the orders to repair it with Engineer. If you were really determined to take both in the same link: - The Vostok would be better in its positive rangeband against an opponent with no visor, or one packing AP ammo. That's a lot of opponents. You can also put Marksmanship on the Vostok, which makes it -really- nasty. - The Gecko would be better against high-ARM targets. It is also more resilient, staying operational for one more hit and having better ARM to resist hits. Lastly its Burst is 1 higher, which I find very helpful. Overall I tend to prefer the Gecko, but that comes down to personal playstyle (I like to use TAGs as bullet magnets, and I like having options). Of course, you could field a Haris with the Gecko and a Core with the Vostok if you think you can manage two offensive units. Most people would only field one of these small attack units though. I think The Internet will probably tell you "The Vostok is the only option, Geckos are Unplayable Trash, I will die on this hill." THere's definitely finer shades to it than that. This is when you do not use either the Gecko or the Vostok. Instead you use Lupe to either shoot directly with a Panzerfaust, or drop smoke and get you closer where you can Burst that ML/sniper down with your Mk12 or Multirifle in the opponent's negative band (again I tend to prefer the latter, but that's playstyle).
That makes sense. It's less that I'm dead set on taking both of them as is I was more stuck on making a list. I kept going back to it. What did you guys bring when going up against them.
McMurrough will make short work of either the Vostok or Gecko, if you get the initiative. He's pretty great against Corregidor, ironically. Reactively, MSV2 snipers in a full link, or layers of ARO troops and then mines and/or repeaters covering good opposing firing points. Hacking would normally be a good answer for REMs and TAGs, but is hard against Corregidor, because Jazz exists and killing her with a hacker is -difficult-. Try to have some thing that can kill Jazz directly... if you're mirror-matching with your own Corregidor, a Bandit can do good work picking off a single unit like Jazz. Alternately a Hellcat BSG if your opponent is not always really tight with their deployment. or the aforementioned McMurrough. Or you can also bring your own Jazz-and-Tinbot combo.
I think dropping white noise on the Vostok is good at keeping the MSV2 snipers at bay, but yeah McMurrough is rough. I need to start using Hellcats more.
This is precisely my point. They fill roles that overlap (they're not support pieces or alpha-strikers, they're both solid gunfighters), that can take on different kinds of targets. So putting them together in a link (which you can still spread out thanks to ZoC and they're both 6-X movement) gives you flexibility on engaging targets and a ton of orders to maneuver them with, and you can spread them out potentially 16" apart (with the third model as the link lead, probably not that far, but easily 10-12" apart covering different angles). You make the third model a wildcat engineer that can fix either (he slows them down, but you need maneuverability, not sprinting-ability) and that is a 10-wound absorbing core (not Core) that can shoot out with almost anything.
That is actually an interesting idea. I've recently started using a Vostok, Evader engineer, and some times a Tsyklon Feuerbach for range, or Amadeus if I think there will be more cc opportunities. But man having Vostok and Gecko with a Wildcat engineer would be great. I never thought about spreading them out like that. Plus, the Wildcat gives you some options when dealing with Camo units.
