Every faction has the moments they get away with a lot, Yu Jing arms and trains Libertos (purely to spite PanOceania for uprising), invaded PanOceania territory and destroyed the advance prototype Tasseum detectors MagnaObra was finalizing, and so on. Same with what all others do really. @SpectralOwl I would not call it massive, they lost troops for sure but the single biggest disaster they could have suffered in this was averted because PaNO allowed withdrawals, they do need to divert more policing forces to Kuraimori but this also means the vast majority of Japanese population is still under Yu Jing control, how available they are as laborers remains to be seen (definitely not soldiers though), I am not sure if the Japanese corporations lost is such a big impact, but they are definitely not worth more than the entire Nomads nation, at least not as long as Tunguska and Bakunin exist.
Yeah... The uprising book is not that clear in my memory, which is honestly never a good sign. Mostly a story not very memorable or interesting or well done.... But I recall it the same. Sometimes it felt like JSA propaganda (or anti-YJ propaganda) only, and someone locked away all the pro-YJ journalists. And reading about such an event just from one perspective is.... bland. Damn, just like in the real world: Some nations step over another countries border and instantly half the world goes nuts and rattle their sabers. Other nations invade whole countries, suppress the people and station Barracks filled with soldiers in most holy places of the invaded countries religion and no one blinks an eye. It´s always a great thing when you know: You are the good ones. And PanO is obviously the good ones. They are blue. Dunno. I cannot realy follow that. Wish to eliminate the roots of the whole franchise we play and love seems a little bit contra-productive, for isn´t that exactly what makes infinity...well....infinity? Isn´t that what started it all? That sounds like telling Mr. Ford he should get rid of this stupid stuff with motors and wheels and steering wheels, cause damn are this stupid things loud and noisy and polluting and atm we all don´t like cars. btw: we came to a quite Fluffy topic in here, and stray away from the OP´s initiate question.
Not eliminate the roots, but stop carrying them on every single instance. In your Ford example, it's as if Ford used the Model-T's seats in each and every Ford car until today... while the important thing was not the car, but the assembly line tech! Infinity was manga, anime, action, and always moving the models and rolling the dice. Nowadays is quite akin to lawyer's debates on the finer points on, for example, if my ZoC includes the insides of my base or it's a hollow cylinder...
Infinity fluff is a little unique compared to any other games. The vast majority of it is personal anecdotes of characters, so they are always from a pov that may be biased one way or another. There's very little fluff that's written as fact like you'd find in another game's sourcebook.
Infinity is the first place I've encountered ONLY pov fluff. It's new to me. Every other game has been mostly objective fluff.
Hasnt that been GW's shtick for a long time? they dont have to walk back anything in the past because its always from the perspective of a possibly unreliable narrator? I mean, its not necessarily first person POV, but thats what ive always thought and heard about their fluff. Makes for pretty safe world building because you can pretty much change anything without having to re-do the canon
There's always some stories, but the bulk of it has always been encyclopedia style facts. Granted, I haven't read a codex in at least 10 years.
I think fluff conveyed only by the point of view of characters with limited information is quite unique. It interweaves a web of multilayered fluff.
Ever read encyclopedias from the 19th century? Opinions or wishful thinking can definitely be stated as facts.
To be fair, thats mostly a man-made problem. I don´t think the intention of the game develepors ever was to spark discussions like "Can a unit see itself?" or "is the siluette a hollow cylinder". The problem with a system that becomes bigger is the amount of players (costumers) becomes more numerous aswell and with it the people that want to get the most detailed and clear and pinpoint rules and questioning everything. That is not necesserly a bad thing, quite the opposite for the most time. But on the other hand we have to deal with... well exactly what you mentioned. On the plus side: I am so happy i don´t have to discuss anymore whats a third of a imaginary cylinder from the POV of a 1 inch high mini the stands in an alley between two large buildings. So thanks CB for that. Me for myself would wouldnt even consider to ask this questions, for thats a game we play for fun and not as a job. Since we are not winning millions for hitting first place on the worlds biggest infinity tournament (Weran did not, did he?) and we don´t have professional Infinity players.... Meanwhile in soccer they can´t handle offside properly.... *sigh* I know i constantly repeat myself in here. Rules and the clarification of it is important. But some questions are...well...unnecessary? Not to mention the...emotional behaviour in other topics. I love to read fluff from the POV of two different sides on the same event. Having different (opposite) perspectives gives so much about the mindset and motivations someone has. (something i direly missed in uprising) The lazyest way of doing this is by a all-knowing narrator that basicly just explains whats happening and why. I honestly cannot recall to much of that in the infinity fluff, but I remember reading stories like that in a lot of GW´s background. That can be fun, but mostly is just, as @Mahtamori mentioned, like reading an encyclopedia. POV gives a story spice and opportunity for the ready to think more about, like "why did he mention it that way".
In general Infinity only gives one perspective on events, *usually* from a supposedly biased source. But this is used by people who defend them as a sort of option select - if it's makes sense it's objectively true, but if it reflects badly on the writing team "Oh it's an unreliable narrator!" Very two-faced.
Right, but if they felt the pressure of their population to act why does that *assume* that it's not in their strategic interests? There's no evidence that it's not and a lot of evidence that it is. There's no evidence for that. The basis for your opinion rather seems to be that if admitted how bad it makes YJ look, you'd have to admit that Gutier's writing has problems, and that's unconscionable for you. Considering the YJ intelligence service was portrayed as pathetically incompetent during that whole escapade PanO isn't the focus. Well there's also the time when PanO threatened to attack YJ after a war with Russia to make them give up their sovereignty to O-12. That was a pretty big part of the lore.
