I can't be the only one who experiences this, and it's been a thing for a while now. Every time I'm using the browser version of Army, it'll inevitably bug up and start rearranging the entire army list whenever a unit is added or moved around. It keeps becoming more extreme as time goes on until entire units are just removed from the listing, or I close and reload the page in a new tab. This is extremely frustrating, and has been an issue for me for years now, across multiple browsers.
I have never experienced this, can you please provide further information? Can other people that have experienced this, even if only once, also comment?
It's kind of hard to do on command, since it can happen within the first few minutes of listbuilding, or it could happen after 10-15. But just to break things down, let's say I'm making a WB list (this happens with every faction though). I'll open by selecting a few units, key parts that fit my theme or staples. Things are holding up just fine so far. I'll add a few other troopers to the list, this time maybe a couple Guilangs and a Hundun. But unlike the Guilangs, which were added at the bottom as they should be, the Hundun was entered at the top of the list. This is the first sign that things are starting to get weird. Odd mistake, especially since I like having off-table troopers at the bottom of their group. But it's not a huge problem, I'll just move him to the bottom, and it'll all be solve-- Why, that's odd, he took the Daofei down with him. Not a problem, let's just put him back at the top, and this time it seems to stop bugging out... for now. I then remember that I'm building a Reinforcement list, so I go to add the burdonsome Commlink tax, and it too pops up at the top. I go to move him back to a more agreeable position, and what do you know, the Daofei winds up back at the bottom again... I'm going to fast-forward a bit (especially because the app is behaving remarkably well up until this point in the time I'm trying to make these examples as I go), and trying to add a few more units, things have started to get royally messed up. And everytime I try to rearrange things, they end up moving more units randomly. This is the state they are one moment, and then, when I try to move the Hundun to the bottom... The entire list order has changed. And from this point forward, moving any one trooper will reshuffle the entire list. Now it becomes especially hard to keep track of things. At this point, I'd normally close the tab and start over (either exporting the code if it was still functional, or just starting from scratch and remembering what I took last to save time before the next time it bugs out), but if I were to continue, eventually the bug reaches a point where units will sometimes just completely disappear from the list, and the builder is now completely unusable (I find this to happen more commonly when I have more than one group that I'm working with). I'm using Firefox now, but I've had this issue back when I was using Chrome as my primary browser as well.
Longstanding bug, has been reported in the bugs thread many times. Would very much like to see it fixed.
I'm getting these problems as well. Not consistently. Generally the more well managed and up to date Chrome and Edge tends to work for longer than the decrepit version of Firefox I typically surf on, and my home computer tends to have fewer problems in general which I think has to do with having about 8x as much RAM as my work computers.
Hello everyone, I might have an explanation for the issue. I experienced this bug too. I actually replaced my quite old and worn-out mouse. Since then, it's been working perfectly fine again. It appears that the Armybuilder is having an issue with mouse input, in my case likely due to a faulty mouse. I'm by no means an IT expert, so I arrived at a solution that seems to work for me.
No this is not a mouse issue. It could be, but the solution is still to fix the applet even if it is. A mouse or mouse driver causing these problems, which are not precision related, would indicate a fairly arcane and weird way of polling mouse movements, given that the behaviour changes on a new mouse, and given the sheer number of browsers involved, as well as the large number of different mice involved. It's not impossible that it is a mouse-driver related issue (in which case it'd have to be the Windows-provided generic driver, or a driver that is derived or works the same as the generic driver), but it would be strange that it is so inconsistent and that it gets worse over time. Even if it might behave properly with certain mice, you just can't ask people to buy new mice since at least on the computers where I have the problem I'm fairly sure I'm using generic Windows drivers. Manufacturers don't typically make their own mouse drivers anymore, if not for specific purposes (e.g. controlling the mouse' LEDs, harvesting data from mouse movements, controlling extra functions, providing function to ridiculous number of buttons, or other more or less benign/nefarious features.) because the generic drivers are really quite good for optical devices.
Hello. I've just uploaded an update to Army which will hopefully fix this issue. I need your help to test it because it is not easy to reproduce this error. Thanks for your help.
Just messing around with it a bit after clearing my cache, haven't gotten down to doing any really serious listbuilding yet. It seems more stable overall; the problem still persists, but is so far less disturbing and more manageable. It may be coincidence, but I've noticed that it really started getting a lot worse when a group exceeded 10 troopers. Obviously not something that you want to finalize a list with, but it can happen during the building phase when moving stuff around or feeling out options. I'm noticing the problem subsides considerably, if not entirely, once the group goes back to 10 or less, and I've not hit any point where the builder breaks down entirely. Granted, this is just 10 minutes of experimentation, but it does seem like a huge improvement so far. I'll post updates if I have any further full breakdowns, or the frequency becomes problematic. Thank you very much for your attention in addressing this.
Thank you very much, seriously. Your detailed posts provide me with valuable information that enables me to identify errors easily. I will check the groups with more than 10 troops. That has given me an important clue as to what may happen. ^_^
In svalarheima for me it bugs immediately if I drag something around and add 4th or 5th trooper. (sometimes it doesnt work with 4 fusiliers, for example) In some factions it doesnt break at all. Win 10, Firefox (latest 116.0.2) Upd. For the interface I use Stylebot, it just changes colours and pictures.
Same here. Just moving a unit in the list seems to trigger undesired behaviour. Most recent reproduction steps: Open Army, defaults to PanO Open Invincible Army Log in Add Daoying Hacker <20 minutes downtime> Change points to 350 Add in order; Rui Shi spitfire, Zuyong Tinbot+TacAware, Haidao Killer Hacker Move Daoying to bottom of list Add Tai Sheng Mk12 CoC Notice that Tai Sheng was added to the top of the list. Add Son-Bae Notice Son-Bae was added to second position below Tai Sheng. Move Daoying to between the two Haris teams Add two Chaiyi. Notice that one Chaiyi was added to the top of the list, one Chaiyi was added to the list below Son-Bae Add Hulang FTO Notice Hulang was added below Son-Bae (between the two Chaiyi). Notice that Tai Sheng was moved from position 2 in the list to position 7, between Rui Shi and Zuyong. Of note: this was all done with one combat group. This was all done without going over 8 miniatures in total. Yesterday the list bugged out to the point where one of the Authorized Bounty Hunters in ISS was added to the list's first group as a blank row of half size, while also moving two units from group 1 to group 2 on adding the unit. Attempting to remove the Authorized Bounty Hunter's empty line instead deleted one of the units that got moved to group 2.
I also had this problem (and more) with the jumping units (minimum since the FT update, more or less). Using Win 10 and Firefox (newest versions). Happend yesterday again. Most of the time, after deleting 2nd group or moving from one group to the other. Also sometime it adds units in G1 when already 10 in it (11 with Secdet). The more you do changes while listbuilding the more often this error happens.
