Another rules question has come up among my local players, and I don't know how to answer it, so if anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd be much appreciative. The question is this: If a trooper has both the Decoy and Camouflage skills, and they deploy all decoys and the actual trooper as camouflage markers, if an enemy succeeds at a discover roll against one of the camouflaged decoys that is not the actual trooper, is the camo marker replaced with a decoy marker, or is it just removed entirely? The wording of the rules has caused some confusion, because it seems that it can be interpreted in both ways pretty easily, since a decoy and a camo marker are different things, so discovering the latter would lead the former being placed onto the table in its place, but, on the flip side, the rule also talks about a Decoy being discovered and removed, without referencing what happens if that decoy is hidden under a camo marker, so I'm hoping there's a FAQ entry somewhere that I just haven't been able to find yet that explains things. Thanks in advance.
I'm not sure what you mean about then being different things, a Decoy in Camouflaged State is still a decoy, just like a Camouflaged Mine is still a mine, and a Camouflaged Trooper is still a Trooper.
I'm not following, a Decoy in the Camouflaged state is still a Decoy, you're just using a different type of marker to represent it on the table. A successful Discover roll against a Camouflaged Decoy is still a successful Discover against the Decoy. Just like an attack against a Camouflaged Trooper is still an attack against the trooper, even though it's represented by a marker and not a miniature.
The question as I understand is: Given if the camouflaged marker is placed and is discovered should the decoy marker/model be placed in its place or it goes away. There are two trains of thought here both are logical. A the camouflage is an extra and discovering the camouflage does not equate discovering the decoy (or its user) B the camouflage marker is placed instead of the decoy and discovering it discovers the decoy (the same goes with the user) I think it is B because this is how I remember it from N3, but I did not go back to check it.
Right, and those different interpretations of the rule are what's causing confusion. Thanks for the eloquence, @psychoticstorm
The decoy rule states: If the user is Deployed in Marker form instead of as a Model, for example in Camouflaged or Impersonation States, the player will place (CAMO) and (IMP) Markers on the table instead of the Decoy Markers. Does the word "instead" constitute a replacement effect? That has always been my understanding of the rule. If decoys are hiding under the camo tokens, it should be worded: "decoy markers are deployed in camouflaged state."
The decoy in camo has the same mimetism as the trooper - https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/decoy-in-n4.37899/#post-365689
Okay - according to the old thread it mimics mimetism -3 and you can declare "this is a camo token mim-3" but if someone actualy tries to discover he succeed without tha malus.
No, what IJW said was that the Camouflage Markers are identical. This would include the Mimetism level it has. Decoy Tokens can't have real Mimetism, but Decoy Camouflage Markers can, because Mimetism is something Camouflage Markers themselves can have.
So we have a 100 % copy of a camomarker with all its mods until its discoverd. Not that I like that, it seems very powerful.
To me, it's like a. holoecho. It duplicates the user. Even Camo in this case. But once discovered, it's gone.
Right, but the question in this case is, does discovering a decoy in the camouflage state make the entire decoy go away, or does the camo marker simply get replaced with a decoy that can then be shot at or discovered or ignored? That's the confusion my local group is having.
We have been playing that it totally goes away. When in doubt do what hurts you the most lol. I think if you had to discover twice, it would be too powerful. Also, I think they would have said to replace a camo token with a decoy token.
That's how I've always played it, but the question was raised by some members of my local community, and I didn't have an answer for it, so I figured I would ask the wider community and do my due diligence as the guy who runs tournaments in the area and figure out some sort of answer for when this inevitably comes up at some point when time is a factor.
If it feels like you are trying to gain the system, then you probably are. I doesn't hurt if you do the worst case for now.
You're running the event. The answer is whatever you say it is. Without needing a supporting theological argument. Decide. Publish and include it in your packet and people can plan on that particular effect. Profit.
